Re: schema.org/Game (was "Re: New schema.org release (sdo-venkman) candidate for review")

> The most obvious fix would be for Game to become
> RolePlayingGame, which avoids us getting all Wittgenstein on the
> "what's a game" issue.

I think the most obvious fix would be to make the description generic and
not wake Ludwig at all (this release adds the property "sport" as a
property for "SportsOrganization" so there's work for him a-plenty if he's
aroused anyway).

I say this largely because Game works with the more specific type
VideoGame.  RolePlayingGame does *not* work as more general type for
VideoGame, as of course not all video games are role-playing game - not
even the majority of them.


On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:

> +Yuliya
>
> On 17 November 2014 20:06, Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looks great!  A note just on the description for:
> > http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/Game
> >
> > Which is:
> > "A role-playing game is a game in which players assume the roles of
> > characters in a fictional setting."
> >
> > I think this description was carried over from an earlier context in
> which
> > this did describe a role-playing game specifically.  In any case,
> obviously
> > a more generic description is required (especially as Monopoly is used in
> > the code example - and while I do adopt the persona of Andrew Carnegie
> when
> > I play, it's not a role-playing game:).
>
> I agree - I just noticed that, I had mistakenly thought 'Game' was
> completely replaced with 'VideoGame'. At least the type name and
> definition here seem at very different levels of generality. Yuliya,
> any suggestions? The most obvious fix would be for Game to become
> RolePlayingGame, which avoids us getting all Wittgenstein on the
> "what's a game" issue.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Short version: we think we're pretty much done with a new release, see
> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#sdo-venkman
> >>
> >>
> >> Followers of schema.org may have noticed that we haven't made a new
> >> release
> >> of the site since mid-September. However if you have been following
> along
> >> on
> >> Github you'll notice that we have been busy integrating quite a few
> >> proposals
> >> and fixes. These are available in Git and as a test site as
> >> "sdo-venkman"(*).
> >>
> >> Pending changes are recorded in docs/releases.html:
> >>
> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#sdo-venkman
> >>
> >> The underlying schemas, examples, code all lives in Github at:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/tree/sdo-venkman
> >>
> >> There are still a few issues we hope to address before publishing these
> >> changes, see https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues for details. In
> >> particular, we expect to address
> >> https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues/148
> >> (VideoGameSeries). We also solicit advice on the proposed type for dated
> >> monetary values - see
> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#dated-money
> >> ... as we are not sure whether DatedMoneyValue would be better than the
> >> current proposal of DatedMoneyspecification. Former is shorter, latter
> is
> >> closer
> >> to some existing type names.
> >>
> >> Comments are welcome as always here or in Github (file an issue there
> >> for bugs or comment in an existing entry), or anywhere in the Web that
> >> has a URL.
> >>
> >> Since this update will cover a lot of topics, please  re-title the
> >> mail thread to indicate more specific topics. This is a large set of
> >> changes so
> >> there are bound to be a few bugs. If we can steer comments towards
> >> specifics
> >> and away from re-opening design earlier discussions that would help in
> >> getting these improvements published.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your perspective,
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >>
> >> Dan,
> >> for schema.org.
> >>
> >>
> >> (*)
> >> Ghostbusters-based codenames let us choose version numbers later.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters#Cast
> >> (next release will be sdo-stantz...)
> >>
> >
>