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Re: Schema.org v1.6 release candidate: Roles, various fixes, site navigation improvements

From: Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 09:47:11 -0700
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To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Cc: Public Vocabs <public-vocabs@w3.org>
@Richard Wallis said:

> >From my experience it is easier to get your head around/discuss examples
> in Turtle and then referring to the RDFa/JSON-LD/Microdata see how it would
> be then be implemented.
>
> I’ve been thinking about suggesting an optional Turtle tab for a while -
> so I am now.
>

@Kingsley Idehen said:
>The entity relationships are MUCH easier to understand via TURTLE
notation. Other notations serve specific user profiles.

>From my experience Turtle is virtually unknown outside of the semantic web
community.  I just did a straw poll among the developers currently in my
office - none of them slouches - and exactly none of them had so much as
heard of Turtle.

This is not a commentary about the relative usefulness of Turtle, but on
the intended audience of the site and the profile of its adopters - all the
points made by Dan Scott.  An optional Turtle tab?  Sure, why not.  Turtle
as the centerpiece of the code examples?  Only if the aim of doing so is
alienating most webmasters.

And I'd use the same logic in arguing against JSON-LD as the default view.
 JSON, of course, is - unlike Turtle - readily understood and used daily by
most developers.  But remembering, to Dan Scott's point, that schema.org is
"a collection of schemas that webmasters can use to markup HTML pages in
ways recognized by major search providers," it makes little sense to
emphasize the syntax which is currently only tangentially recognized by one
of the major search providers in a very limited context.



On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
wrote:

> On 6/18/14 10:51 AM, Wallis,Richard wrote:
>
>> >From my experience it is easier to get your head around/discuss examples
>> in Turtle and then referring to the RDFa/JSON-LD/Microdata see how it would
>> be then be implemented.
>>
>> I’ve been thinking about suggesting an optional Turtle tab for a while -
>> so I am now.
>>
>
> +1
>
> The entity relationships are MUCH easier to understand via TURTLE
> notation. Other notations serve specific user profiles. Here's the user
> profile breakdown as I see it:
>
> [1] Turtle -- everyone (i.e, anyone literate person that understand
> natural language sentences and the role they play re., information encoding
> and decoding)
> [2] JSON-LD -- Web Programmer that prefers JSON based structured data
> representation
> [3] HTML+Mircodata -- Web Master focused on HTML
> [4] HTML+RDFa -- No real idea as to the profile here (maybe: Semantic Web
> Web master )
> [5] RDF/XML -- aimed at XML programmers (but only confused them and the
> rest of the world about RDF).
>
> It would be nice if Schema.org accommodated both TURTLE and JSON-LD,
> alongside Microdata and RDFa.
>
>  Kingsley
>
>
>>
>> ~Richard
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:44, Markus Lanthaler <markus.lanthaler@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 18 Jun 2014 at 15:26, Dan Brickley wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18 June 2014 14:15, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does this include *real* licenses URIs like
>>>>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>> Like in the last example in http://schema.org/WebPage ? :)
>>>>
>>>> (I realise readers don't know what is in each example 'tab' until they
>>>> look... maybe we could improve that)
>>>>
>>> I think the problem is, that it is very hard to "see" what data is in
>>> the default's tab (without markup) blob of text. It's almost impossible to
>>> skim it. I'm not sure whether schema.org wants to go down that route,
>>> but I think even for people that have no idea about how JSON-LD works (or
>>> even what it is), it is much easier to skim and understand. So perhaps that
>>> easiest tweak would be to show the JSON-LD tab by default!?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Markus Lanthaler
>>> @markuslanthaler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
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>
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