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Re: Automotive, EXIF, Property-Values

From: Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:05:37 -0600
Message-ID: <CAChbWaPf2GFp_CBg4=8PMj0G02=qWFjTJyAMasjEsOSkYM1i=w@mail.gmail.com>
To: "mfhepp@gmail.com" <mfhepp@gmail.com>
Cc: Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>
RED FLAG - I have some deep concerns in one area regarding the description
of weights throughout this schema proposal.

We need to be much more clear about the use of the word "permitted" in the
description of weights within this Schema for the safety and protection of
consumers and human life.

Of particular concern for me and consumers is the adherence of industry
standards and those that are not followed closely or not at all by
manufacturers.
Manufacturer claims are sometimes not the same claim as an industry
standard, such as SAE J2807  http://standards.sae.org/wip/j2807/

Here is an example of some of the issues involved:
http://www.autonews.com/article/20130211/OEM03/302119913/pickup-truck-towing-standard-isnt-standard

I would like the schema to be very clear on the designation of "permitted"
... by whom ?  A manufacturer or government regulation or industry
regulation ?

I would like to make this clear perhaps by having an enum to capture the
"permitted by whom" while not taking sides with either the manufacturer
claims or the government / industry claims.

Thoughts ?


Thad
+ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:40 AM, mfhepp@gmail.com <mfhepp@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Vicky:
>
> Thanks! See inline comments.
> Martin
> -----------------------------------
> martin hepp  http://www.heppnetz.de
> mhepp@computer.org          @mfhepp
>
>
> On 22 Dec 2014, at 17:30, Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I have a couple quick questions about the new Vehicle schema.
> >
> > 1. What is the difference between tongueWeight and trailerWeight?
>
> tongueWeight is the maximum weight your trailer hitch can handle of the
> downward force exerted on it by the trailer's tongue (the arm that extends
> from the trailer that couples with the tow vehicle's receiver) (snippet
> taken from
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/vehicle-towing/maneuvers/dead-weight-towed-weight1.htm).
> In essence, how much your trailer can push down the pulling car without
> lifting its wheels.
>
> trailerWeight is the maximum weight is of a fully loaded trailer, so in
> essence how much the pulling vehicle + trailer hitch can pull in driving
> direction.
>
>
> > 2. Vehicle has an interiorColor property. Would you advise using the
> "color" property for the exterior color?
> Yes.
>
> > 3. There is a lot of detail here. Do you have examples that can be
> published on schema.org to help guide users?
>
> Yes, they are already included in
>
> http://sdo-property-value-and-cars.appspot.com/Car
>
> Please scroll down to examples or see here
>
>
> https://github.com/mfhepp/schemaorg/blob/property-value-and-cars/data/sdo-automobile-examples.txt
>
> Again, thanks for looking at the proposal. Please do not hesitate to
> contact me if you have further questions.
>
> Martin
>
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> > Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:01 AM, mfhepp@gmail.com <mfhepp@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear all:
> >
> > Based on many bilateral discussions, I have updated the proposal for
> cars and other vehicles [1] and the property-values mechanism for product
> feature data [2].
> >
> > A live demo is up and running at
> >
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/
> >
> > The proposal updates schema:Car (new:
> http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Car) and schema:Vehicle (new:
> http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Vehicle). It incorporates and is
> aligned with the Yandex proposal for cars [3] (Yuliya and I analyzed the
> overlap).
> >
> > A Github fork based on sdo-venkman is available at
> >
> >     https://github.com/mfhepp/schemaorg/tree/property-value-and-cars
> >
> > I have already created a respective pull-request to
> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/tree/sdo-venkman.
> >
> > In effect, it adds the following elements:
> >
> > 1. Types for common vehicle categories
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/MotorizedRoadVehicle
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Truck
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Van
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/MotorizedBicycle
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/BusOrCoach
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Motorcycle
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Bike
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Watercraft
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/Boat
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/MotorBoat
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/SailingBoat
> >
> > plus a few utility types for quantitative values.
> >
> > 2. Properties for common, vendor-independent car features
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > For a list, see here:
> >
> >     http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Vehicles#New_Properties
> >
> > 3. A type for exposing semi-structured product and place feature
> information
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >     http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/PropertyValue
> >
> > plus three new properties for this type:
> >
> >     additionalProperty
> >     propertyID
> >     unitText
> >
> > plus slight modifications to unitCode, minValue, maxValue, value, and
> valueReference:
> >
> >
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/PropertyValuePairs#Changes_to_Existing_Elements
> >
> > 4. A mechanism for exposing standardized and vendor-specific EXIF image
> meta-data to schema:ImageObject
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This happens by simply including schema:PropertyValue to the range of
> schema:exifData, see
> >
> >      http://sdo-property-value.appspot.com/ImageObject
> >
> > Examples for the use for EXIF meta-data are here:
> >
> >
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/PropertyValuePairs#ImageObject:_EXIF_Meta-data
> >
> > See also
> >
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/PropertyValuePairs#EXIF_Image_Meta-data
> >
> >
> > The proposal comes with a full set of examples in Microdata, RDFA, and
> JSON-LD; only the property-value examples are currently given in Microdata
> only. I can add them on other syntaxes if needed.
> >
> > I hope that this final specification addresses all issues from the
> previous discussions and can be agreed upon.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Martin Hepp
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Vehicles
> > [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/PropertyValuePairs
> > [3] http://help.yandex.ru/webmaster/supported-schemas/review-car.xml
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> > martin hepp  http://www.heppnetz.de
> > mhepp@computer.org          @mfhepp
> >
> >
> >
> >
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