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Re: Socialnetworks of a person or organization

From: Jarno van Driel <jarno@quantumspork.nl>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:48:18 +0200
Message-ID: <CAFQgrbZkagO-6LCghw8ad2c1kFG-E_2-Xw+2qBpt6Gf=CVSjoA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Cc: Public Vocabs <public-vocabs@w3.org>
>
> " I hope you can see the semantic fallibility (and implicit
> unsuitability)  of the relations above, in that context. "


To be honest no. Half of this thread has been copied and pasted in 500 tabs
with Google translate instances and dictionaries. Because even the
translations are hard to swallow.

What I do know is that schema.org/Person has 4 properties with an expected
type of URL:

   - url
   - sameAs
   - image
   - additionalType

None of which let me express a 'related URL'. Not to a social page like
Youtube nor directly to a video, which is a problem. And that's what 99% of
webmaster understand as well. Most I talk to actually think that the lack
of 'video' property on Thing is a copy and paste error on the site since it
does have 'image'. And most now either use 'url' or 'sameAs' to point to
social media pages because they don't see another option nor anything
mentioning social media. The only question I get in regards to this is
"should I use url or sameAs".

Webmaster have no idea of all the other uses there are for structured
data/linked-data/semantically enhanced data, and most are not interested
either. They are confused however and look strangely at me when they hear
there currently is nothing to point to social media sites. And they aren't
aware that one can look at those as being part of a identity. They see it
as social media, they don't hink in any different terms.


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:

>  On 4/12/14 11:46 AM, Jarno van Driel wrote:
>
> I'm so glad semantics can help me understand and express things. But which
> of the below properties helps me say: "this is my Youtube page, here is
> where I share the useless stuff I like"?
>
>  1. describedBy
> 2. profileAt
> 3. hasProfileDoc
> 4. identifiedBy
> 5. referencedBy
> 6. subjectOf
>
>
> None of the above are supposed to indicate ownership. They indicate
> connotation.
>
> If you want to indicate ownership, then you look to properties like:
>
> 1. made
> 2. maker or isMakerOf
> 3. creator or isCreatorOf.
>
> Sticking with Dan's example below, I hope you can see the semantic
> fallibility (and implicit unsuitability)  of the relations above, in that
> context. For instance, the entity with the name attribute "Stephen Fry"
> didn't make (or create) any of those documents. Neither does the entity
> really own any of those documents, either.
>
> Social network service providers are making documents that identify you
> (to their internal systems, primarily).
>
> Microdata:
>
>
>
> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"<http://schema.org/Person>>
>
> <span itemprop="name">Stephen Fry</span>
>     (<a itemprop="url" href="http://www.stephenfry.com/"<http://www.stephenfry.com/>
> >stephenfry.com</a>,
>       <a itemprop="made" href="http://twitter.com/stephenfry"<http://twitter.com/stephenfry>>twitter</a>,
>
> <a itemprop="made"
> href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry"<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry>>wikipedia</a>)
>
> </div>
>
> Turtle  translation:
>
> <> <http://www.w3.org/ns/md#item> <http://www.w3.org/ns/md#item> [
>        <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type><http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>
> <http://schema.org/Person> <http://schema.org/Person>;
>        <http://schema.org/name> <http://schema.org/name> "Stephen Fry";
>        <http://schema.org/made> <http://schema.org/sameAs>
> <http://twitter.com/stephenfry> <http://twitter.com/stephenfry>,
>        <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry>;
>
>        <http://schema.org/url> <http://schema.org/url>
> <http://www.stephenfry.com/> <http://www.stephenfry.com/>
>      ];
> <http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa#usesVocabulary><http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa#usesVocabulary>
> <http://schema.org/> <http://schema.org/> .
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Kingsley Idehen	
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software
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>
>
>
>
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