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Re: Citation markup with Periodical proposal

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:48:56 +0200
Message-ID: <53458808.2000803@kcoyle.net>
To: Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com>
CC: "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Thanks, Niklas and Dan and Adrian.

Niklas, yours is a successful version of something that I tried 
unsuccessfully - nesting all of the periodical "parts" in between 
article properties. The turtle makes sense to me, even though the RDFa 
is hard to grasp (but then, I'm not a machine).

Dan, I couldn't turtle-ize yours, and the rich snippet tool appears to 
be flaky and wouldn't spit out the pages section. It may be equivalent 
to Niklas' - I have no idea. Sorry.

At this point, I should probably rest my case. As you can see, Adrian, 
who has responded here, has a different take, imitating something like 
Bibtex. I would prefer a simple solution of that nature for citations. I 
realize that academic citations are just one bibliographic form. I am 
not ignoring your use case, which is based on bibliographic *control* 
rather than citation, but do wish that there were a simpler solution.

Should this proposal be added to schema.org, I think we could facilitate 
use by providing mappings from some of the more common bibliographic 
metadata formats (Bibtex, endNote, RefWorks, NLM, etc.) and various 
citation formats. I'm willing to work on that, as long as someone will 
help me with the code.

kc


On 4/9/14, 6:45 PM, Niklas Lindström wrote:
> Hi Karen,
>
> I think this should do the trick:
>
> - - - 8< - - -
>
> <article vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="ScholarlyArticle">
>    <em property="author">Smiraglia, Richard P.</em>,
>    <strong property="name">Be Careful What You Wish For: FRBR, Some
> Lacunae, A Review</strong>;
>    <span property="isPartOf" typeof="PublicationIssue">
>      <span property="isPartOf" typeof="PublicationVolume">
>        <span property="isPartOf" typeof="Periodical">
>            <span property="name">Cataloging &amp; Classification
> Quarterly</span>
>        </span>
>        vol. <span property="volumeNumber">50</span>,
>      </span>
>      #<span property="issueNumber">5</span>
>      <span property="datePublished">2012</span>
>    </span>,
>    pages <span property="pageStart">360</span>-<span
> property="pageEnd">368</span>
> <article>
>
> - - - >8 - - -
>
> Check it out in e.g. <http://rdfa.info/play/> (see "Raw Data" tab for
> the Turtle).
>
> (As I said some time back, I think we/schema.org <http://schema.org>
> might want to be tolerant of skipped levels of isPartOf – i.e. to allow
> conflation e.g. of issue and volume by sticking the volumeNumber on the
> issue or such (maybe even flatten it out entirely to stick volumeNumber
> and issueNumber on the Article). But that the model shouldn't exclude
> this level of granularity when needed. Currently, I think, with
> volumeNumber being a property of PublicationVolume, to get such a thing
> "completely" correct would require that conflation to be explicit – i.e.
> by stating typeof="PublicationIssue PublicationVolume". We may want to
> revisit that.)
>
> Cheers,
> Niklas
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net
> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On 4/9/14, 5:04 PM, Gregg Kellogg wrote:
>
>         Hi Karen, I get the following Turtle for your example:
>
>
>     Thanks, Gregg. And special thanks for using turtle, which I find
>     easier to read than JSON (much less JSON-LD).:-)
>
>
>
>         Note that the article and the periodical are not related to each
>         other. You're probably missing an @itemprop on the div introducing
>         the new @itemtype. Perhaps schema:publisher?
>
>
>     This is the nut of the problem. The journal unfortunately isn't the
>     publisher -- that would be easier than the reality. The publisher is
>     something like "Elsevier", the journal is a publication, the article
>     is *in* the journal. In a citation, it is left to a human brain to
>     make the connection. In the examples [1] the connection is article
>     (incl. pagination) -> issue  -> volume -> journal. However, note
>     that this is not the order that is used in MLA citations, which go:
>     article -> journal -> volume -> issue -> date -> pagination.
>
>     [slightly abbreviated from actual example]
>
>     @prefix : <http://schema.org/> .
>
>     [] a :ScholarlyArticle ;
>          :author "Smiraglia, Richard P." ;
>          :isPartOf <#issue> ;
>          :name "Be Careful What You Wish For: FRBR, Some Lacunae, A
>     Review" ;
>          :pageEnd "368" ;
>          :pageStart "360" ;
>
>     <#issue> a :PublicationIssue ;
>          :datePublished "2012" ;
>          :isPartOf [ a :PublicationVolume ;
>                  :isPartOf <#periodical> ;
>                  :volumeNumber "50" ] ;
>          :issueNumber "5" .
>
>     <#periodical> a :Periodical ;
>          :name "Cataloging & Classification Quarterly" .
>
>     ************
>
>     Could someone who is better than I am at coding try marking up the
>     MLA in html example that I gave using this vocabulary? I've tried,
>     but I can't figure out an elegant way to create this structure with
>     the items in this order:
>
>     article
>              author
>              title
>     periodical
>              title
>              volume#
>     issue
>              issue#
>              issue date
>     article
>              pages
>
>     Thank you!
>
>     kc
>     [1] http://www.w3.org/community/__schemabibex/wiki/Article
>     <http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Article>
>
>
>
>     --
>     Karen Coyle
>     kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net
>     m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234>
>     skype: kcoylenet
>
>

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