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Re: Country, external ennumeration?

From: Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:26:55 -0500
Message-ID: <CAChbWaOrhQVPgbrMUWBvZ88-tiSUEVTcHvg2fPrL6J1m8DV0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Justin Boyan <jaboyan@google.com>
Cc: Willem-Siebe Spoelstra <wsspoelstra@gmail.com>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
In this case, the notion of "canceled" is a fairly concrete meaning
semantically across almost all domains, I would say.  So it should be
global in aspect for anyone wanting to use it.

Having said that.. Canceled is action specific.  And we already have the
idea of it ... here: http://schema.org/CancelAction

See the full hierarchy as well, thus far : http://schema.org/docs/full.html



On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Justin Boyan <jaboyan@google.com> wrote:

> I agree that the use of schema.org/Enumeration, vs. external
> enumerations, is confusing.
>
> I would like to raise a related proposal, to make it easier to define and
> use internal Enumerations.  Currently all enumeration values are defined in
> the global top-level schema.org namespace.  For example, each value of
> the MedicalSpecialty <http://schema.org/MedicalSpecialty> enumeration,
> such as http://schema.org/Nursing, is a top-level entity.  It therefore
> conflicts with any other proposed enumerations that might want to use
> Nursing as a value, or for that matter any proposed type named
> schema.org/Nursing.   This isn't just a theoretical concern - there are
> currently at least three enumeration proposals (OrderStatus, ActionStatus,
> EventStatus) that all want to use "Canceled" as an enum value, but those
> notions of canceled can't be defined and documented separately given the
> global namespace.
>
> Proposal: can we define a local namespace for internal enumerations?  How
> about a fragment naming scheme, like
> http://schema.org/OrderStatus#Canceled  and
> http://schema.org/EventStatus#Canceled ? That scheme would also improve
> our documentation, keeping all the enum values and their descriptions
> organized on a single web page corresponding to their type. In markup, we
> could arrange to accept "Canceled" or "#Canceled" as shorthand entries for
> the enum value.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Willem-Siebe Spoelstra <
> wsspoelstra@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, on this schema.org blogpost<http://blog.schema.org/2012/05/schemaorg-markup-for-external-lists.html> I
>> read the follwing:
>>
>> Each schema.org type (such as Person <http://schema.org/Person>,
>>> PostalAddress <http://schema.org/PostalAddress>) is associated with a
>>> set of properties, such as
>>> "nationality", "addressCountry". In turn, each property has one or more
>>> expected types; in this case, both the "nationality" of a Person, and the
>>> "addressCountry" of a PostalAddress <http://schema.org/PostalAddress> expect
>>> to have a Country <http://schema.org/Country>value
>>
>>
>> So I took a look at the example in the same blogpost, and the specify the
>> country like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> <link itemprop="nationality" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When I read this blogpost <http://blog.schema.org/2012/11/good-relations-and-schemaorg.html> about Schema.org and Goodrelations, this is explained like:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   general approach for referencing 'external enumerations<http://blog.schema.org/2012/05/schemaorg-markup-for-external-lists.html>
>>> '.
>>
>>
>> However, when I look at the itemtype 'Country'<http://schema.org/Country>,
>> which is the expected type for the item properties 'nationality' and
>> 'addressCountry', I don't see anything explaining the above...
>>
>> It only tells me:
>>
>> A country
>>
>>
>> I do see a list of properties, but the best option there is to use 'name'
>> from 'Thing', which in that case should be 'text' just putting down the
>> name of the country. Nobody is explaining me that I have to link to, for
>> example, WikiPedia as explained in the blogpost.
>>
>> So, what's the best practise here?
>>
>> And why is 'Country' not a more specif type of Enumeration,
>> http://schema.org/Enumeration,
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Willem
>>
>>
>


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