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Re: Proposal for new Schema.org mark-up: Vacation Rentals

From: Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:44:41 -0600
Message-ID: <CAChbWaMyOAcCo6G-VnW0a1R9QfjOPfRDAz16g04rpXjhgxhSwg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
But Yannis is asking about making the connections of a Product to an
Industry, I think.

For instance, he is selling some Product: A roll of wire.  What industry is
he in ?  What industry is he primarily interested in selling or marketing
to ?

A roll of wire is used across many, many industries.  Perhaps Yannis only
wants to let Search users know that his roll of wire is specialized for a
particular industry ?  How does he do that ?


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
> wrote:

> Yes, but in general, I suggest using http://www.productontology.org types
> for indicating the type of the object.
>
> As for Yannis' question: As a general direction for a new proposal, I
> suggest to define the most important types of rental objects as subtypes of
> http://schema.org/Product or http://schema.org/Thing, e.g. those provided
> by http://purl.org/acco/ns, like
>
>
>         * acco:Accommodation
>         * acco:Apartment
>         * acco:CampingPitch
>         * acco:Hotel
>         * acco:HotelRoom
>         * acco:House
>         * acco:MeetingRoom
>         * acco:Resort
>         * acco:Suite
>
> If we make them subtypes of Thing, we should expand the range of
> itemOffered from Product to Thing or, logically redundant and thus less
> beautiful but likely more intuitive to users, to Product OR Thing.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Thad Guidry wrote:
>
> > A Thing (which is the more general Schema.org type for Product) can use
> the additionalType property that specifies a URL. See
> http://schema.org/Thing
> >
> > and URL could be the SKOS concept of a Vacation_rental like this one:
> http://live.dbpedia.org/page/Category:Vacation_rental
> >
> > I think ?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης <giankar@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you for the example Martin, very useful.
> >
> > Question: As you describe, with GoodRelations we can describe 99% of the
> vacation rental attributes. What's the 1% missing? Why do we have Schemas
> for Hotels, Motels, Hostels and B&Bs then?
> >
> > My only concern is that through GoodRelations, we can describe almost
> everything though the mark-up but with the absence of a Schema mark-up for
> Vacation Rentals we aren't "grouping" the mark-up like the other
> accommodation options - am I missing something here? With GoodRelations we
> can describe accommodation in general but we don't specify industry
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Yannis
> >
> >
> > 2013/1/8 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
> > Hi Yannis:
> >
> > GoodRelations is a generic e-commerce schema for any industry where you
> have
> >
> > 1. someone (a person or organisation) who
> > 2. offers some rights (ownership, temporary usage, licensing, disposal,
> ...) on
> > 3. some object or service (a car, a house, a hotel room, 500 g of
> cheese, a camcorder).
> >
> > I strongly suggest to make the generic elements from GoodRelations that
> are already included in schema.org the basis for any industry-specific
> e-commerce extension, since you want clients to rely on the same conceptual
> patterns for prices, no matter of the type of object. otherwise, clients
> will have to apply complicated processing rules, e.g. if the modeling of
> prices for cars uses other conceptual elements than the pricing of hotel
> rooms etc.
> >
> > Also, computing bundles (hotel + car, airfare + hotel) gets overly
> complicated.
> >
> > > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry
> than a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
> > Definitely. Note that while we call schema.org a schema, it is in
> essence a conceptual model that provides the basic distinctions for
> representing information.
> >
> > While it is tempting to look at schema.org as a *mark-up syntax*, the
> respective mark-up patterns in microdata and RDFa are only derived from the
> underlying conceptual model.
> >
> > For the types of property, I suggest to use a basic schema.org type and
> refine them using http://www.productontology.org types + additionalType,
> because otherwise schema.org will have to maintain hundreds of property
> types across cultural spheres (from tipi to cottage, house boats, ....).
> >
> > So basically, schema.org with its GoodRelations addition is 99 % ready
> to go for rental:
> >
> > An apartment for $ 99 per night with a minimum stay of two nights:
> >
> >
> > <div>
> >   <div itemtype="http://schema.org/Offer" itemscope>
> > <!-- Textual description -->
> >     <div itemprop="name">Apartment with a sea-side view for $ 99 per
> night</div>
> >     <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
> > <!-- You rent the object -->
> >         <link itemprop="businessFunction" href="
> http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1#LeaseOut" />
> > <!-- Structured price information: $ 99 / night for a minimum of two
> nights -->
> >         Rate: <div itemprop="priceSpecification" itemscope
> >        itemtype="http://schema.org/UnitPriceSpecification">$
> >         <span itemprop="price">99</span>
> >         <meta itemprop="priceCurrency" content="USD"> per
> >         <meta itemprop="unitCode" content="DAY"> night
> >         <div itemprop="eligibleQuantity" itemtype="
> http://schema.org/QuantitativeValue" itemscope> (minimum
> >                 <meta itemprop="minValue">2</div>
> >                 <meta itemprop="hasUnitOfMeasurement" content="DAY" />
> nights)
> >         </div>
> >         </div>
> > <!-- Validity of the offer (i.e. latest absolute booking date for that
> offer) -->
> >         <time itemprop="validThrough"
> datetime="2013-12-31T23:59:59Z">Offer valid until Dec. 31, 2013</time>
> >  <!-- Object to which the offer refers -->
> >         <div itemprop="itemOffered" itemscope itemtype="
> http://schema.org/Product">
> >                 <link itemprop="additionalType" href="
> http://www.productontology.org/id/Apartment" itemscope />
> >                 <div itemprop="name">Great Leisure Apartment with a
> sea-side to remember</div>
> >         <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
> > <!-- accomodation features may be added here once my ProductFeature
> proposal is approved ;-) -->
> >         </div>
> > </div>
> >
> > This is a quick sketch, of course, so please forgive minor bugs in the
> example.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > We could make use of GoodRelations but I think that it's quite generic
> and not quite relevant with the vacation rental industry. My incentives to
> create a separate schema mark-up are mainly the property types (cottage,
> villa, farmhouse etc) and the amenities that differ many times from hotels.
> > >
> > > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry
> than a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > > Yannis
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/1/7 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
> > > Hi,
> > > Thanks for your proposal. I would suggest to incorporate the existing
> GoodRelations extensions for accommodations from
> > >
> > >     http://purl.org/acco/ns
> > >
> > > into schema.org, since it should provide a generic pattern for all
> kinds of accommodations and accommodation features.
> > >
> > > I can work on that if there is consensus about this.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm starting this discussion with regards to the creation of a new
> Schema.org mark-up concerning the Vacation Rental industry.
> > > >
> > > > The description of the proposal can be found here:
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VacationRentals
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, the proposal has been added to the proposal page:
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SchemaDotOrgProposals
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking forward to receive some feedback from you before
> proceeding to the next level of the proposal - some examples with HTML5 code
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your time!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Giannis Karagiannidis
> > > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > martin hepp
> > > e-business & web science research group
> > > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
> > >
> > > e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
> > > phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
> > > fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
> > > www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
> > >          http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
> > > skype:   mfhepp
> > > twitter: mfhepp
> > >
> > > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
> > > =================================================================
> > > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > martin hepp
> > e-business & web science research group
> > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
> >
> > e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
> > phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
> > fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
> > www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
> >          http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
> > skype:   mfhepp
> > twitter: mfhepp
> >
> > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
> > =================================================================
> > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Thad
> > http://www.freebase.com/view/en/thad_guidry
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> martin hepp
> e-business & web science research group
> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>
> e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
> phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
> fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
> www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
>          http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
> skype:   mfhepp
> twitter: mfhepp
>
> Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
> =================================================================
> * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
>
>
>
>


-- 
-Thad
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/thad_guidry
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