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Re: Proposal for new Schema.org mark-up: Vacation Rentals

From: Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:12:02 -0600
Message-ID: <CAChbWaMqqzVxSm65dg_BFV1m2LtjnOBihZCzrkyO-CV4suMBvQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
A Thing (which is the more general Schema.org type for Product) can use the
additionalType property that specifies a URL. See http://schema.org/Thing

and URL could be the SKOS concept of a Vacation_rental like this one:
http://live.dbpedia.org/page/Category:Vacation_rental

I think ?


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης <giankar@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thank you for the example Martin, very useful.
>
> Question: As you describe, with GoodRelations we can describe 99% of the
> vacation rental attributes. What's the 1% missing? Why do we have Schemas
> for Hotels, Motels, Hostels and B&Bs then?
>
> My only concern is that through GoodRelations, we can describe almost
> everything though the mark-up but with the absence of a Schema mark-up for
> Vacation Rentals we aren't "grouping" the mark-up like the other
> accommodation options - am I missing something here? With GoodRelations we
> can describe accommodation in general but we don't specify industry
>
> Thank you!
> Yannis
>
>
> 2013/1/8 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
>
>> Hi Yannis:
>>
>> GoodRelations is a generic e-commerce schema for any industry where you
>> have
>>
>> 1. someone (a person or organisation) who
>> 2. offers some rights (ownership, temporary usage, licensing, disposal,
>> ...) on
>> 3. some object or service (a car, a house, a hotel room, 500 g of cheese,
>> a camcorder).
>>
>> I strongly suggest to make the generic elements from GoodRelations that
>> are already included in schema.org the basis for any industry-specific
>> e-commerce extension, since you want clients to rely on the same conceptual
>> patterns for prices, no matter of the type of object. otherwise, clients
>> will have to apply complicated processing rules, e.g. if the modeling of
>> prices for cars uses other conceptual elements than the pricing of hotel
>> rooms etc.
>>
>> Also, computing bundles (hotel + car, airfare + hotel) gets overly
>> complicated.
>>
>> > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry than
>> a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
>> Definitely. Note that while we call schema.org a schema, it is in
>> essence a conceptual model that provides the basic distinctions for
>> representing information.
>>
>> While it is tempting to look at schema.org as a *mark-up syntax*, the
>> respective mark-up patterns in microdata and RDFa are only derived from the
>> underlying conceptual model.
>>
>> For the types of property, I suggest to use a basic schema.org type and
>> refine them using http://www.productontology.org types + additionalType,
>> because otherwise schema.org will have to maintain hundreds of property
>> types across cultural spheres (from tipi to cottage, house boats, ....).
>>
>> So basically, schema.org with its GoodRelations addition is 99 % ready
>> to go for rental:
>>
>> An apartment for $ 99 per night with a minimum stay of two nights:
>>
>>
>> <div>
>>   <div itemtype="http://schema.org/Offer" itemscope>
>> <!-- Textual description -->
>>     <div itemprop="name">Apartment with a sea-side view for $ 99 per
>> night</div>
>>     <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
>> <!-- You rent the object -->
>>         <link itemprop="businessFunction" href="
>> http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1#LeaseOut" />
>> <!-- Structured price information: $ 99 / night for a minimum of two
>> nights -->
>>         Rate: <div itemprop="priceSpecification" itemscope
>>        itemtype="http://schema.org/UnitPriceSpecification">$
>>         <span itemprop="price">99</span>
>>         <meta itemprop="priceCurrency" content="USD"> per
>>         <meta itemprop="unitCode" content="DAY"> night
>>         <div itemprop="eligibleQuantity" itemtype="
>> http://schema.org/QuantitativeValue" itemscope> (minimum
>>                 <meta itemprop="minValue">2</div>
>>                 <meta itemprop="hasUnitOfMeasurement" content="DAY" />
>> nights)
>>         </div>
>>         </div>
>> <!-- Validity of the offer (i.e. latest absolute booking date for that
>> offer) -->
>>         <time itemprop="validThrough"
>> datetime="2013-12-31T23:59:59Z">Offer valid until Dec. 31, 2013</time>
>>  <!-- Object to which the offer refers -->
>>         <div itemprop="itemOffered" itemscope itemtype="
>> http://schema.org/Product">
>>                 <link itemprop="additionalType" href="
>> http://www.productontology.org/id/Apartment" itemscope />
>>                 <div itemprop="name">Great Leisure Apartment with a
>> sea-side to remember</div>
>>         <div itemprop="description">...more text...</div>
>> <!-- accomodation features may be added here once my ProductFeature
>> proposal is approved ;-) -->
>>         </div>
>> </div>
>>
>> This is a quick sketch, of course, so please forgive minor bugs in the
>> example.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Martin,
>> >
>> > We could make use of GoodRelations but I think that it's quite generic
>> and not quite relevant with the vacation rental industry. My incentives to
>> create a separate schema mark-up are mainly the property types (cottage,
>> villa, farmhouse etc) and the amenities that differ many times from hotels.
>> >
>> > Do you think that GoodRelations is more suitable for this industry than
>> a dedicated schema mark-up for vacation rentals?
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> > Yannis
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/1/7 Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
>> > Hi,
>> > Thanks for your proposal. I would suggest to incorporate the existing
>> GoodRelations extensions for accommodations from
>> >
>> >     http://purl.org/acco/ns
>> >
>> > into schema.org, since it should provide a generic pattern for all
>> kinds of accommodations and accommodation features.
>> >
>> > I can work on that if there is consensus about this.
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> > On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Καραγιαννίδης Γιάννης wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I’m starting this discussion with regards to the creation of a new
>> Schema.org mark-up concerning the Vacation Rental industry.
>> > >
>> > > The description of the proposal can be found here:
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VacationRentals
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Additionally, the proposal has been added to the proposal page:
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SchemaDotOrgProposals
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking forward to receive some feedback from you before
>> proceeding to the next level of the proposal - some examples with HTML5 code
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for your time!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Giannis Karagiannidis
>> > >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------
>> > martin hepp
>> > e-business & web science research group
>> > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>> >
>> > e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
>> > phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
>> > fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
>> > www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
>> >          http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
>> > skype:   mfhepp
>> > twitter: mfhepp
>> >
>> > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
>> > =================================================================
>> > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> martin hepp
>> e-business & web science research group
>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>>
>> e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
>> phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
>> fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
>> www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
>>          http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
>> skype:   mfhepp
>> twitter: mfhepp
>>
>> Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data!
>> =================================================================
>> * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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-Thad
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