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Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:54:29 -0500
Message-ID: <50E74185.4040405@openlinksw.com>
To: public-vocabs@w3.org, evain@ebu.ch
On 1/4/13 2:59 PM, Evain, Jean-Pierre wrote:
> Hello Kingsley,
>
> Already seven months have past but I said I would work on improving my SKOS vocabularies.  Here it is in one example:
>
> http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/ontologies/skos/test/ebu_ContentGenreCS_test.rdf
>
> As you suggested, I have added the inScheme reference to concepts.
>
> I have done a few additional changes to the compliant with the test from PoolParty as accessible from the SKOS homepage on W3C. The file of content genre for which I have prvided a link pass all tests):
>
> - the ontology is declared
> - narrower and broader reference resources directly and not through "descriptions".
>
> I would appreciate your opinion on this version. If you think this looks good, then I'll apply this to all my vocabularies from EBU. We also have a plan to make them all multilingual (English, French, Spanish, German, Japanese and possibly simplified Chinese) at the request of a manufacturer.

Great!

See: 
http://kingsley.idehen.net/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebu.ch%2Fmetadata%2Fontologies%2Fskos%2Febu_ContentGenreCS.rdf 
. Note, how you can now pivot around the vocabulary graph while also 
following-your-nose :-)

Happy New Year!

Kingsley
>
> My best wishes for 2013.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jean-pierre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evain, Jean-Pierre [mailto:evain@ebu.ch]
> Sent: mardi, 8. mai 2012 20:37
> To: 'Kingsley Idehen'; public-vocabs@w3.org
> Subject: RE: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>
> I have desperately trying to do something else :--(
>
> I'll have a look a.s.a.p. I haven't been working on this for some time and I know I used to have inscheme references (also the reason why I have many documents in different forms on the server) - I'll check this again. I have updates to do following recent BBC additions.
>
> I have the same for roles, etc. under the same root. I don't know if was also transferred under the linkeddata.uriburner server.
>
> I must absolutely work on my other stuff but I'll come back to you.
>
> JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kingsley Idehen [mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com]
> Sent: mardi, 8. mai 2012 20:31
> To: public-vocabs@w3.org
> Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>
> On 5/8/12 1:57 PM, Evain, Jean-Pierre wrote:
>> I forgot to mention the rdf version of these:
>> http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/ontologies/skos/ebu_ContentGenreCS.rdf
> Cool!
>
> Here's an alternative view:
> http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebu.ch%2Fmetadata%2Fontologies%2Fskos%2Febu_ContentGenreCS.rdf
> .
>
> BTW - adding some skos:inScheme relations to your RDF document will enable viewers pivot back to the main concept scheme from any concept description. This makes a world of different when browsing etc :-)
>
> Example of what I mean re., effects of adding missing relations :
> http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flinkedmodel.org%2Fvocab%2Findustry-codes%2Fsic%23Standard_Industrial_Classification
> .
>
> Kingsley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Evain, Jean-Pierre [mailto:evain@ebu.ch]
>> Sent: mardi, 8. mai 2012 19:52
>> To: 'Dan Brickley'
>> Cc: Sandhaus, Evan; Andreas Gebhard; Егор Антонов; Olson, Peter; PDEC
>> Research; public-vocabs@w3.org
>> Subject: RE: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>>
>> Yes, you can use the URL to the CS plus a pointer to #termId or a
>> #termName from http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/ebu_ContentGenreCS.xml
>>
>> This is a superset of the TVA contentCS/genre list but I can put the TVA original list there. There are already many others from TVA otherwise not coverd by EBU superset.
>>
>> The between lists can be found here:
>> http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_ContentGenreCS_Mapping_p.xml.htm
>> l
>>
>> But actually this means that many similar lists can provide alternative contextual controlled vocabularies.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@danbri.org]
>> Sent: mardi, 8. mai 2012 19:45
>> To: Evain, Jean-Pierre
>> Cc: Sandhaus, Evan; Andreas Gebhard; Егор Антонов; Olson, Peter; PDEC
>> Research; public-vocabs@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012, at 19:41, "Evain, Jean-Pierre"<evain@ebu.ch>  wrote:
>>
>>> You actually might as well go for TV-Anytime where you can find satire and broken comedy, which are actually more programme than news genre, and are furthermore supported by BBC and UK DTG.
>> Can you recommend some URL patterns for these?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>> JP
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Dan Brickley [danbri@danbri.org]
>>> Sent: 08 May 2012 19:38
>>> To: Sandhaus, Evan
>>> Cc: Andreas Gebhard; Егор Антонов; Olson, Peter; PDEC Research;
>>> public-vocabs@w3.org
>>> Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2012, at 19:34, "Sandhaus, Evan"<sandhes@nytimes.com<mailto:sandhes@nytimes.com>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for using the IPTC Controlled Vocabulary for News Genre.
>>>
>>> The vocabulary can be found in human readable form here:
>>> http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/ and in RDF/XML here
>>> http://cv.iptc.org/Requester?scheme=genre&format=rdf
>>>
>>> And yes, there are URLs for all of these properties.
>>>
>>> There is currently no item in this controlled vocabulary for 'Satirical Article,' however, we can likely remedy that by June.
>>>
>>> Great, let's go for it then. I'll add a genre example with these. Any chance of live data eg NYT?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Evan
>>> --
>>> Evan Sandhaus
>>> Lead Architect, Semantic Platforms
>>> The New York Times Company
>>> @kansandhaus
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Dan Brickley wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2012 15:22, Andreas Gebhard<Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com<mailto:Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com>>  wrote:
>>> Not a bad idea. "genre" points to a controlled vocabulary maintained by the IPTC and it wouldn't be too hard to discuss the addition of (comedy|satire|etc.) to that.
>>>
>>> Thanks all. I agree that 'genre' in this case would be a more elegant
>>> express things here. In general I'm not against having simple
>>> low-content types, since both microdata and rdfa offer nice syntactic
>>> support for them. But yes definitely pointing into an IPTC list of
>>> genres, 'comedy' vs 'satire' etc. would be great.
>>>
>>> I've just sent around a new ExternalEnumerations doc, see
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2012May/0009.html
>>> ... maybe we can work through the detail of this for 'genre'? Do you
>>> have the relevant IPTC URLs, ideally some that are well-used in some
>>> public datasets?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 23:41 , Егор Антонов wrote:
>>>
>>> schema.org/Article<http://schema.org/Article>  has 'genre' property, cannot we use it for this purpose?
>>> I think it's a bad practice to create a new type until it has its own
>>> properties
>>> --
>>> Egor
>>>
>>> 02.05.2012, 06:13, "Olson, Peter"<polson@marvel.com<mailto:polson@marvel.com>>:
>>> In an attempt to surgically extract all humor from this subject...wouldn't satire be a flag as part of a larger article type? I can maybe reach out - I have some contacts in the comedy world.
>>>
>>> - Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: PDEC Research [mailto:lists@personaldataecosystem.org]
>>> Sent: Sun 4/29/2012 8:40 PM
>>> To: Dan Brickley
>>> Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org<mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>>>
>>> You could just add a parody bit. Then if the whole content is odd, the processor can throw a parody exception.
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Dan Brickley<danbri@danbri.org<mailto:danbri@danbri.org>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> (disclaimer: thinking out loud)
>>>
>>> A smart-enough-to-know-better friend who shall remain nameless just
>>> re-shared this link, having given it a quick check over (by
>>> searching) and it looked real enough. At first glance it was
>>> Onion-esque but wasn't obviously one of theirs, so got re-shared:
>>>
>>> http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/13/mitt-romney-i-can-relate-to-bl
>>> ack-people-my-ancestors-once-owned-slaves/
>>>
>>> The article is completely false, as
>>> http://www.freewoodpost.com/disclaimer/ indicates.  If you view
>>> source, you see itemtype="http://schema.org/Article" though (and a
>>> load more metadata, ogp etc).
>>>
>>> I was wondering whether an addition such as
>>> http://schema.org/SatiricalArticle could ever get traction.
>>>
>>> My initial conclusion is 'no', ... since most of the obvious
>>> applications of 'SatiricalArticle' would likely slow the viral spread
>>> of fake outrageous news around the Web, and so get little support
>>> from publishers like the above, or http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
>>> http://christwire.org/ http://www.theonion.com/
>>> http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ etc. But you never know, there might
>>> be some other incentives (e.g. disclaimers?) that could support such
>>> an idea.
>>>
>>> So I thought I'd float the suggestion. If anyone here happens to know
>>> such publishers, I'm curious of their perspective. Would a
>>> machine-readable indicator of 'satire' be interesting to any of them?
>>> Presumably they get much of their traffic from controversy caused by
>>> reposting shocking "news". Of course there's always scope for that
>>> same metadata to be created by third parties, but that's an old old
>>> story (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/ etc).
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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