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Re: Marking up quotes that relate to known Freebase topics/people

From: Shawn Simister <simister@google.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:21:39 -0800
Message-ID: <CAPYFVRSTaYYB=iQxu8g80f0-rFz+T+Sso4N5QVOEyVkbeE0rhA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Cc: Quotations Book <quotationsbook@gmail.com>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Thanks for pointing that out Martin, you're correct, it should be <link>
instead of <meta>.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Martin Hepp <
martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> great example. One question: Wouldn't it be better to use the link element
> to use the entity URI in Freebase?
>
> So
>
> >       <span itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="
> http://schema.org/Person" itemid="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">
> >               <a itemprop="name" href="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">Mark Twain</a>
> >               <link itemprop="sameAs" href="
> http://www.freebase.com/m/014635" />
>
> instead of
>
> >       <span itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="
> http://schema.org/Person" itemid="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">
> >               <a itemprop="name" href="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">Mark Twain</a>
> >               <meta itemprop="sameAs" content="
> http://www.freebase.com/m/014635" >
>
> Justification:
>
>
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-meta-element
>
> says
>
>    "Metadata names whose values are to be URLs must not be proposed or
> accepted. Links must be represented using the link element, not the meta
> element."
>
>
> Also, I am not 100% sure what the convention and requirement is regarding
> end tags with meta in HTML5. It is clear that the closing slash can be
> omitted for meta when the document is served as text/html. But I think
> there was discussion that is should be omitted. At least this should be
> consistent in the schema.org specification.
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Shawn Simister wrote:
>
> > Hey Amit,
> >
> > Thanks for putting in the hard work to align your content with Freebase.
> Fo what you're trying to accomplish you would use your own identifiers for
> the item IDs and then use the sameAs property to align them with Freebase.
> Here's how I would mark up a quotation (once the type is part of
> schema.org) using Microdata:
> >
> > <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Quotation">
> >       <p itemprop="description">Never let formal education get in the
> way of your learning.</p>
> >       <span itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="
> http://schema.org/Person" itemid="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">
> >               <a itemprop="name" href="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/">Mark Twain</a>
> >               <meta itemprop="sameAs" content="
> http://www.freebase.com/m/014635" />
> >       </span> on
> >       <span itemprop="about" ietmscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Thing"
> itemid="http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/tag/learning/">
> >               <a itemprop="name" href="
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/tag/learning/">learning</a>
> >               <meta itemprop="sameAs" content="
> http://www.freebase.com/m/0d846" />
> >       </span>
> > </div>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Quotations Book <
> quotationsbook@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I run a quotations site called http://quotationsbook.com and this might
> appear a newbie question, for which I apologise.
> >
> > I have previously requested a "quotation" a unique schema.org type
> which appears to be pending:
> > http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/QuotationSchema
> >
> > Unrelated to this, I have now disambiguated and know freebase unique
> entity ID's for the following two object-types on my site (painstaking!):
> >       • Each author e.g. "Mark Twain". URL on my site:
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/author/7349/ with Freebase ID:
> http://www.freebase.com/m/014635
> >       • Each topic e.g. "Hope". URL on my site:
> http://quotationsbook.com/quotes/tag/hope/ / with Freebase ID:
> http://www.freebase.com/m/0d846
> > In fact, quotationsbook.com first generated that “Hope” topic and
> linked it as a “quotation subject”.
> >
> > In both cases, the problem I have is referencing the author and topic
> properly:
> >
> > - Firstly with the right schema.org markup for both author and topic
> (please send examples)
> > - Secondly, how do I link the author and the topic to Freebase i.e.
> declare this page has quotes about the entity Mark Twain
> >
> > How do I achieve this markup, while also referencing existing Freebase
> entries which I know?
> >
> > Is it better to make top-level references to Freebase or to Wikipedia in
> the long-term?
> >
> > thanks
> > Amit
> > Founder, quotationsbook.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shawn Simister
> >
> > Knowledge Developer Relations
> > Google
>
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Shawn Simister

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