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Re: Move isPartOf to CreativeWork from WebPage?

From: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:16:19 -0400
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To: lrmi@googlegroups.com
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Joshua Marks <jmarks@curriki.org> wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
> "there might be a case to raise it even up to 'Thing'"
>

I've heard that people have parts that are hands, and that wheels can be
part of cars. Performances come in acts, which are considered parts as well.

The usual sense of parthood is not restricted to collections. However, we
often say that a more specific kind of parthood - membership applies only
to them.

-Alan


> Indeed it might belong up to thing. But Creative work should do.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: lrmi@googlegroups.com [mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Brickley
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:57 AM
> To: lrmi@googlegroups.com
> Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Move isPartOf to CreativeWork from WebPage?
>
> On 28 September 2012 20:21, Greg Grossmeier <greg@creativecommons.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > As more in the educational community begin marking up their content
> > with LRMI / Schema.org we have run into a couple limitations of
> Schema.org.
> > [Note: I have cc'd the LRMI community mailing list.]
> >
> > One oddity is the isPartOf property that lives in the WebPage type
> > (which is a subtype of CreativeWork).
> >
> > The isPartOf expected type is CollectionPage, which, has two subtypes
> > ImageGallery and VideoGallery.
> >
> > It appears that, from this, the isPartOf property is limited to use in
> > only galleries of images or videos (but, oddly, don't mix them!).
> >
> > Would it make sense instead to make isPartOf live on CreativeWork?
> >
> > Use Case for the change:
> > In the educational community, there are many times collections of
> > resources (everything from specific courses, to whole curricula, to
> > everything between and beyond) and these resources are not all webpages.
> > They include other media (eg: presentation files, videos, documents,
> > etc).
> >
> > Thus, you could imagine a simple use case of a class syllabus that is
> > itself a collection with many resources linked from it (either living
> > at the same webspace or not). For pages under the control of the same
> > entity, modifying the resources to also include the isPartOf ->
> > Collection information is useful to model the syllabus.
> >
> > It might then be advantageous to include a "hasPart" in CollectionPage
> > type.
> >
> >
> > Summary:
> >  - move isPartOf from WebPage to CreativeWork
>
> I'd support this, and it will bring us into line with the same term used
> in the Dublin Core community,
> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-isPartOf
>
> >  - add hasPart to CollectionPage
>
> I'm conflicted; it seems useful but I'm wary of introducing inverses
> casually, and for only some of our terms.
>
> I guess we should ask: what's the status of 'rev=' in the HTML work?
> Is it just too confusing usability-wise anyway? Older XHTML-based RDFa
> syntaxes used to have 'rev=' but I remember the HTML5 community were not
> enthusiastic.
>
> Re Charlie's point, there might be a case to raise it even up to 'Thing',
> although I am a a bit wary of that, as e.g. the expert-filled Ontolog forum
> is still debating different senses of 'isPartOf', see
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2012-09/threads.html ...
> and I don't really want to see huge debates here about whether isPartOf
> for medical entities (see http://schema.org/docs/meddocs.html
> ) are 'part of' in the same sense as Web pages, sites and books have
> parts. Some topics can be argued about for eternity!
>
> cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > --
> > Greg Grossmeier
> > Education Technology & Policy Coordinator
> > twitter: @g_gerg / identi.ca: @greg / skype: greg.grossmeier
>
>
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