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Re: Audience proposal [and LRMI, and http://schema.org/Audience]

From: Liddy Nevile <liddy@sunriseresearch.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:20:18 +1000
Cc: Greg Grossmeier <greg@creativecommons.org>, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>, LRMI TWG <lrmi-twg@googlegroups.com>, LRMI <lrmi@googlegroups.com>
Message-Id: <71A6284C-1548-4A1E-94A4-1391FED07930@sunriseresearch.org>
To: Egor Antonov <elderos@yandex-team.ru>
I wonder if it is useful to offer that when we made the 'audience'  
term for DCMI we found that we needed to know the audience but we also  
thought of a mediator i.e. if the target audience was 3 year olds but  
with the help of an adult who would print the page for the three year  
old to colour in with pencils, there was the child as the audience and  
the adult as the mediator.

Liddy

On 05/07/2012, at 6:09 AM, Egor Antonov wrote:

> Hi Greg!
> I'd propose to go a bit further and make
> Thing->Intangible->Audience->PeopleAudience->EducationalAudience
>
> PeopleAudience type proposed in http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Audience 
>  already contains properties for defining age range: minAge and  
> maxAge.
> So you don't need typicalAgeRange property anymore and don't need to  
> handle it as text, because there is a good complex structure.
>
> A final example will look so:
> <div ...>
>     <div itemprop="audience" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/EducationalAudience 
> ">
>         <span itemprop="educationalRole">Teacher</span>
>         Recommended age: <span itemprop="minAge">14</span>-<span  
> itemprop="maxAge">18</span>
>     </div>
> </div>
>
> We get +1 nesting level, but this is a small price for current and  
> future audience scheme flexibility plus avoiding semantic duplicates  
> in properties.
>
> --
> Egor Antonov
> Department of secured search,
> Yandex
>
> 30.06.2012, 00:58, "Greg Grossmeier" <greg@creativecommons.org>:
>> <quote name="Dan Brickley" date="2012-06-27" time="21:03:53 +0200">
>>
>>  LRMI proposal contains intendedEndUserRole property with the same  
>> purpose,
>>  contaning some text (which is also a soft enum). Looking at this  
>> again ... in terms of "what can we do now for
>>  integration, while still moving quickly towards including LRMI 1.0"?
>>
>>  From LRMI, as you say, http://www.lrmi.net/the-specification
>>
>>  * intendedEndUserRole schema.org/Text The individual or group for
>>  which the work in question was produced. Ex: “student” Ex: “teacher”
>>
>>  Would a minimalistic improvement here be, to allow  
>> intendedEndUserRole
>>  to also (as an alternative) point to a thing of type
>>  http://schema.org/Audience ?
>> I think this might make sense, or, we could do as is suggested on the
>> wiki page:
>>
>> Create a Thing->Intangible->Audience->EducationalAudience
>>
>> That EducationalAudience could initially have a single added term  
>> on top
>> of what Thing provides called "educationalRole" (or similar). That
>> educationalRole would take a text value that specifies the specific  
>> role
>> that the group identified by EducationalAudience.
>>
>> That would mean that anyone who has already begun marking up content
>> with LRMI would need to modify their markup from:
>>
>> <span itemprop="intendedEndUserRole">Teacher</span>
>>
>> to:
>>
>> <span itemprop="audience" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/EducationalAudience 
>> ">
>> <span itemprop="educationalRole">Teacher</span>
>> </span>
>>
>>
>> (that assumes we get rid of intendedEndUserRole in favor of the  
>> Audience
>> intangible)
>>
>>
>> If we did what you suggest ("allow intendedEndUserRole to also (as an
>> alternative) point to a thing of type http://schema.org/Audience")  
>> what
>> would it look like with a Audience intangible in the place of the
>> intendedEndUserRole value? I might be misunderstanding some aspect of
>> the syntax but it would seem it would be more nested than the  
>> example I
>> have above? Am I missing an easy way to model that?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Greg Grossmeier
>> Education Technology & Policy Coordinator
>> twitter: @g_gerg / identi.ca: @greg / skype: greg.grossmeier
>>
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