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Re: Names... just a thought...

From: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:58:26 -0700
Message-ID: <CABP7RbfhzVTCSrTSDqcirDOEMzX780KhMdM0u_wUDuByqZ2BAw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Egor Antonov <elderos@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: "public-vocabs@w3.org Vocabs" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
The way it's defined, developers could continue using simple names as
well.. for example...

<div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
  <div itemprop="name">Joe Smith</div>
</div>

<div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
  <div itemprop="commonName"
       itemscope
       itemtype="http://schema.org/Name">
    Joe Smith
  </div>
</div>

etc..

- James


On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Egor Antonov <elderos@yandex-team.ru>wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> I fully agree that a name is a compex and culture dependent construct, but
> it's not so easy for me to imagine websites which would like to maintain
> people names in such a complex way.
> There are many developers using just a simple 'string' (or 'varchar')
> column to store somebody's name.
> Removing support for plain text means they must complicate their db (and
> they surely won't change anything).
> I think we should leave this complexity to more specialized ontologies
>
> --
> Egor
>
> 02.08.2012, 21:27, "James M Snell" <jasnell@gmail.com>:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've recently been exploring the possible integration of schema.orgmetadata with the OpenSocial API (
> http://opensocial.org). OpenSocial defines it's own schema for various
> objects like Person, Groups, Albums, etc. Eventually, I would like to see
> this model brought in line with things like the schema.org model but
> there are a number of existing gaps that would need to be addressed. As an
> experiment, I decided to take one single aspect of the OpenSocial model and
> visualize what that would look like as a schema.org Type...
>
> Within OpenSocial, a "Person" object [
> http://opensocial-resources.googlecode.com/svn/spec/trunk/Social-Data.xml#Name
> ] has a fairly rich collection of metadata elements. The person's name,
> for instance, is represented by a structured Name object, and the person
> can have a common name, a native name, a nickname, and an optional
> collection of "alternate names", each of which can be richly structured.
> Within the schema.org Person object, however, there is only a single set
> of unstructured text properties like "givenName" and "alternativeName".
> This definitely would not work within OpenSocial applications.
>
> So here's the idea: create a new schema.org intangible object called
> "Name", with a subtype of "PersonalName", with the following basic
> definition:
>
> |-- Intangible
>     |
>     |-- Name
>         |
>         |-- PersonalName (
>             honorific,
>             honorificPrefix,
>             honorificSuffix,
>             byname,
>             givenName,
>             middleName,
>             familyName,
>             generationName,
>             patronymic,
>             matronymic,
>             diminutive,
>             pronunciation,
>             pronunciationExample
>           )
> Then, let's add the following new properties to the schema.org/Personobject ...
>  * alternateName,
>  * formerName,
>  * nativeName,
>  * commonName,
>  * nickname,
>  * preferredName,
>  * professionalName,
>  * psuedonym
> And remove / deprecate the following from schema.org/Person...
>   * additionalName
>   * familyName
>   * honorificPrefix
>   * honorificSuffix
>   * givenName
> Several examples...
> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
>   <div itemprop="nativeName"
>        itemscope
>        itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>     <span itemprop="givenName">
>       &#x41B;&#x435;&#x432;
>     </span>
>     <span itemprop="patronymic">
>       &#x41D;&#x438;&#x43A;&#x43E;&#x43B;
>       &#x430;&#x301;&#x435;&#x432;&#x438;
>       &#x447;
>     </span>
>     <span itemprop="familyName">
>       &#x422;&#x43E;&#x43B;&#x441;&#x442;
>       &#x43E;&#x301;&#x439;
>     </span>
>   </div>
>   <div itemprop="commonName"
>        itemscope
>        itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>     <span itemprop="givenName">Lev</span>
>     <span itemprop="patronymic">Nikolayevich</span>
>     <span itemprop="familyName">Tolstoy</span>
>   </div>
>   <div itemprop="alternateName"
>        itemscope
>        itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>     <span itemprop="givenName">Leo</span>
>     <span itemprop="familyName">Tolstoy</span>
>   </div>
> </div>
> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
>   <div itemprop="commonName"
>        itemscope
>       itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>     <span itemprop="byName">
>       Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques
>     </span>,
>     <span itemprop="honorific">King</span>
>     <span itemprop="givenName">Abdullah<span>
>     <span itemprop="patronymic">bin Abdulaziz</span>
>     <span itemprop="familyName">al Saud</span>
>   </div>
>   <div itemprop="nativeName"
>        itemscope
>        itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName" dir="rtl">
>     <span itemprop="byName">
>       &#x62E;&#x627;&#x62F;&#x645; &#x627;&#x644;
>       &#x62D;&#x631;&#x645;&#x64A;&#x646;&#x627;
>       &#x644;&#x634;&#x631;&#x64A;&#x641;&#x64A;
>       &#x646;</span>,
>     <span itemprop="honorific">&#x645;&#x644;&#x643;</span>
>     <span itemprop="givenName">&#x639;&#x628;&#x62F;
>       &#x627;&#x644;&#x644;&#x647;<span>
>     <span itemprop="patronymic">&#x628;&#x646; &#x639;&#x628;&#x62F;
>       &#x627;&#x644;&#x639;&#x632;&#x64A;&#x632;</span>
>     <span itemprop="familyName">&#x622;&#x644; &#x633;&#x639;
>       &#x648;&#x62F;</span>
>     (<span itemprop="pronunciation">
>       Abd ull&#x101;h ibn &lsquo;Abd al-&lsquo;Az&#x12B;z
>       &#x100;l Su&lsquo;&#x16B;d</span>)
>   </div>
> </div>
> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
>  <div itemprop="name"
>       itemscope
>       itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>    <span itemprop="givenname">Hideo</span>
>    <span itemprop="familyname">Tanaka</span>
>    <span itemprop="honorificSuffix">-san</span>
>  </div>
>  <div itemprop="nativename"
>       itemscope
>       itemtype="http://schema.org/PersonalName">
>    <span itemprop="givenname"&gt;&#x82F1;&#x592B;</span>
>    <span itemprop="familyname">&#x7530;&#x4E2D;</span>
>    <span itemprop="honorificSuffix">&#x3055;&#x3093;</span>
>   (<span itemprop="pronunciation">
>      &#x3072;&#x3067;&#x304A; &#x305F;&#x306A;&#x304B;
>    </span>)
>  </div>
> </div>
> Thoughts and opinions are always welcome...
> - James
>
> --
> Egor Antonov
> Department of secured search,
> Yandex
>
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