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Re: Schema.org External Enumerations mechanism

From: Guha <guha@google.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:09:48 -0700
Message-ID: <CAPAGhv_5LAXYq8nrXFWos6NczmZkyN0s0vhUjeOzvp=iAUJsBw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, public-vocabs@w3.org
Your example is really good and has got me rethinking ...

Let me think about it a bit more and get back to you.

guha

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 April 2012 15:41, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify with an example...
>
> > But where is the tangible utility in using schema.org URLs? As noted
> > earlier, they actually add friction to the system.
>
> ...ok, I'm visiting my mother this week, and a couple miles down the
> road is a hill fort called "Fin Cop". So how would I talk about that
> in microdata?
>
> I've no idea offhand what detail is available in schema.org for
> classifying places, but I can remember there is some coverage. So I
> start at:
>
> http://schema.org/Place
>
> I see:
>
> http://schema.org/LandmarksOrHistoricalBuildings
>
> and using an example from the Place page I already have:
>
>  <div itemprop="location" itemscope
> itemtype="http://schema.org/LandmarksOrHistoricalBuildings">
>    <a itemprop="url" href="...to be decided...">
>    Fin Cop
>    </a>
>  </div>
>
> But which URL to use?
>
> Wikipedia is blessed, so I search there and find:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_Cop
>
> Paste that into my markup, job done.
>
> Unless I want to use the schema.org alias. In which case I have to
> look up the appropriate template/mapping, apply it, and then use that
> URL.
>
> http://ext.schema.org/wikipedia/en/Fin_Cop
>
> Job done - after an extra step.
>
> Out of curiosity I had a quick go at getting a term for describing a
> place in a similar fashion using existing RDF vocabs. Starting with:
> http://sindice.com/search?q=Place
> a couple of clicks later I had:
>
> http://sw.opencyc.org/2009/04/07/concept/en/AncientSite
> Same as:
> http://umbel.org/umbel/sc/AncientSite
>
> - though there appear to be a lot of other alternatives.
>
> Putting "Fin Cop" into Google search, the most compelling-looking URL
> for the place on the first page of hits is the Wikipedia one (4th on
> the list here).
>
> So as far as the effort needed to find suitable terms, there wasn't
> really very much to choose between them. For data consumers, it seems
> probable that in due course the schema.org class will be more useful
> simply because of wider deployment. But well-known vocabularies like
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/* are already widely deployed on the web
> (as regular links)...so why bother aliasing them?
>
> Cheers,
> Danny.
>
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>
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