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Re: Starting Up the Web Innovation Forum/New Ideas Forum

From: Chris Messina <messina@google.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:49:49 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTimh-PKYtr9dj3ZQnSDiD=t4xUaaacGAtAN34cNj@mail.gmail.com>
To: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
Cc: Robin Berjon <robin@robineko.com>, olivier Thereaux <olivier@thereaux.net>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>, "public-vision-newstd@w3.org" <public-vision-newstd@w3.org>
To follow up on this comment...

Longer term (and I say longer term because not enough software supports
ActivityStreams yet) it would be ideal if we could just synthesize activity
streams from a number of sources, such that people could use whatever tool
makes sense to the them and the forum homepage would just be a newsfeed of
recent activity...!

In other words, some of us may choose to collaborate on a wiki, others on
standalone blog posts, still others using Twitter or Buzz and coordinating
with a hashtag. Regardless of the tool being used, it would be the newsfeed
that could bring all this data together from disparate sources.

There are a few services — including Status.net/Identica — that consume
ActivityStreams, so if there were enough interested parties with time to
contribute, we could turn identica into a very valuable coordination tool.

Chris

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Chris Messina <messina@google.com> wrote:

> You might also want to consider the roles that you hope people will
> assume in this phase of the process and then provide tools to serve
> people who take on different roles.
>
> Though some people may decide to play many or multiple roles, making
> it easier to self-identify how or what one wishes to contribute might
> help get this going.
>
> Basic roles might include:
>
> • researcher
> • coordinator
> • designer
> • developer
> • professional liaison
> • recorder or documenter
> • writer
> • creative
> • moderator
> • leader
>
> ...and so on.
>
> In the beginning it may also make sense to keep the number if roles
> served to a minimum and then expand over time.
>
> Starting off the conversation with a discussion of tools is a great
> way to collect personal opinions and gain insight into different
> approaches to achieving productivity, but until you spell out what
> activities are pertinent to the success of the group, it is premature
> to determine which tools the participants should (or will be willing
> to) use.
>
> Chris
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2010, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 14:13 , olivier Thereaux wrote:
> >>> First, mailing-lists are very alien to a lot of people outside w3c, and
> >>> not the most comfortable form of online communication for many
> >>
> >> That is true, but are they alien to a large part of the crowd that we're
> >> looking to talk to?
> >>
> >> That being said, I've always thought that mail archives that could be
> >> writable for people who are more comfortable in forum-like discussions
> >> would be a good idea (but I don't know that we have that handy).
> >>
> >>> Second… I've tried using wikis for idea sharing, it doesn't work very
> >>> well. Putting aside the fact that (again) wikis are not familiar to
> all,
> >>> I have found that a wiki exhibits a number of issues when it comes to
> >>> being an idea/innovation space. The main issue, I think, is that wikis
> >>> seem to work best to document something that is going on elsewhere:
> >>> news, knowledge, a software project... But when it comes to using a
> wiki
> >>> as the innovation space itself, it doesn't provide the right social
> >>> dynamics: no sense of "ownership" of the concepts, no guidance,
> comments
> >>> tend to be put on a "talk" page, the difficulty of knowing where
> >>> activity happens, and I won't get started on the thorny dynamics of
> >>> editing the text of someone elses's idea.
> >>
> >> I agree, wikis work when people can fall into editor/corrector
> categories
> >> but they don't work for exchange and creation.
> >>
> >>> Although I can't of course suggest the perfect alternative, I would
> >>> suggest considering this one, flawed but IMHO showing more potential.
> >>> Start a blog where anyone can register and where the default role for
> >>> user is that of author.
> >>>
> >>> Why?
> >>> * The blog (or news, or social-network-status) and comment paradigm is
> >>> comfortable to most of our contemporaries
> >>>
> >>> * People can take as long as they want to let their ideas mature
> >>> (draft), show them to the world (publish), discuss (comments,
> >>> trackbacks, etc) and make their idea evolve (re-edit) based on the
> >>> feedback while retaining some control and pride of "ownership"
> >>>
> >>> * The popular (and thus familiar) wordpress software allows you to do
> >>> just this, and is ridiculously easy to install and manage.
> >>>
> >>> * Barrier to entry would be minimal
> >>>
> >>> * A blog could also be used for more "guided" challenge-response
> topics.
> >>> This I find is how a lot of successful (or budding) open innovation
> >>> networks have chosen to work. See for example:
> >>> http://www2.innocentive.com/ http://openideo.com/ or
> >>> http://frogmob.frogdesign.com/
> >>
> >> I like the idea. Blogs can work as a community of discussion. +1
> >
> > OK, I'm seeing:
> >
> > 1) Mailing list
> > 2) hashtag
> > 3) blog
> > 4) Wiki (I know,I know, but sometimes it does help to be able to
> > collectively edit documents, like draft charters or specs).
> >
> > Again, this can be done I assume more or less right after the task force
> > phone call assuming we get consensus on the name/hashtag and whatnot
> > during the call.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robin Berjon
> >>   robineko — hired gun, higher standards
> >>   http://robineko.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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