Minutes for VCWG telecon 25 September 2018

available at:
  https://www.w3.org/2018/09/25-vcwg-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Dan!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                    Verifiable Claims Working Group

25 Sep 2018

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2018Sep/0006.html

Attendees

   Present
          Dan_Burnett, Matt_Stone, Ted_Thibodeau, Greg_Natran,
          Clare_Nelson, Brent_Zundell, David_Chadwick,
          Gregg_Kellogg, Alex_Ortiz, Yancy_Ribbens, Ken_Ebert,
          Kaz_Ashimura

   Regrets

   Chair
          Matt_Stone, Dan_Burnett

   Scribe
          burn

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions
         2. [5]Action Item Review
         3. [6]Assign owners to unassigned issues
         4. [7]Recruit TPAC Discussion Leads
         5. [8]Have we deferred delegation?
         6. [9]Data Model PR review
         7. [10]Test Suite
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     * [12]Summary of Resolutions
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   <scribe> scribenick: burn

Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions

   ken: Ken Ebert joining us from Sovrin

Action Item Review

   None

Assign owners to unassigned issues

   None

Recruit TPAC Discussion Leads

   TPAC agenda:
   [13]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aYodpYXQg_C9zn3HcNQ
   oMN2A_ESsArJaA4jl3x0cahE/edit#gid=975531401

     [13] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aYodpYXQg_C9zn3HcNQoMN2A_ESsArJaA4jl3x0cahE/edit#gid=975531401

   stonematt: many of our normal attendees are at RWoT, so light
   attendance today.
   ... One topic I want to consider is the focal use case
   discussion. It's not on the agenda and we would like it to be.
   ... also we need discussion leaders for all items
   ... JoeA asked for Thu for use case review, but that day is
   pretty crowded
   ... any opinions on that? If not, the chairs will work
   something out.
   ... 30 mins for use cases, could do it 2:30 during the AC
   meeting time.

   <kaz> [14]VCWG registrants

     [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2018/registrants#VClaims

   stonematt: (no comments) chairs will take offline
   ... now, about discussion leaders. Chairs will get us started.
   ... We will ask DB to give us an update on commercial status.
   We will then meet with Web Commerce about joint interests, and
   largely an update from us.
   ... JWT support plan/trend next.

   burn: this will be discussed somewhat at RWoT. May or may not
   need much time at TPAC to discuss depending on how it goes.

   stonematt: maybe we will only need 30 minutes, but we will at
   least want an update. We will wait until next week to finalize
   this item.
   ... Issue #207 (at TPAC). Opens with name of 'claim' and
   whether it should be 'subject'. DavidC you are active in this.

   <kaz> [15]issue 207

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/207

   DavidC: I would be willing to be discussion leader but expect
   to be talking with my own opinions quite a bit. What does the
   topic chair do?

   stonematt: very much like our f2f calls. Maybe a few others
   visiting.
   ... an opinionated facilitator is fine.

   burn: it's not really chairing, mainly making sure that the
   discussion moves towards a resolution

   stonematt: frame discussion, maybe a few slides to get things
   moving.

   DavidC: yes, I can do that. We want this to work for normal
   people and not just experts.

   stonematt: Next slot is Digital Contracts. Allen is presenting
   in the Web Commerce group and we will join them so we can hear
   too.
   ... Next is threat model. Clare volunteered to help but won't
   be there.

   <Zakim> ClareNelson, you wanted to say threat model

   ClareNelson: If you click on the second tab of the spreadsheet,
   row 15 has a link to the draft presentation. Whoever volunteers
   will have an easy time :) A nice, exciting session.
   ... I will be remote but just need someone in the room. Great
   opportunity!

   stonematt: did you look at this topic in the use cases
   document?

   ClareNelson: Yes, but I have not incorporated the content into
   the presentation. Manu is helping me understand some of that
   document.

   stonematt: the focal use cases section is fairly complex. We
   discuss the threat model there. May be helpful in the
   discussion.

   ClareNelson: passport topic was very complex.

   stonematt: yes. (lists the other focal use cases)

   <BrentZ> raising hand

   stonematt: Today we want a volunteer interested in
   security/threat model to volunteer to lead locally.

   <ClareNelson> no problem DavidC

   DavidC: didn't have a chance to look yet but will

   BrentZ: I volunteer :) and will serve as Clare's local
   representative at the meeting.

   stonematt: re: presentations, last year we made a Google
   Presentation for each day. We will set up that deck and make a
   title slide for each section so that you can move your content
   in there before the meeting. But keep on with your content dev
   for now!
   ... Next topic is test suite. Chris Webber is at RWoT. We will
   probably ask him to lead this but would happily accept another
   volunteer
   ... Friday morning. ToU and rights. We've had much discussion
   here. We allocated a full hour (and will be discussing today as
   well). This is a topic that could benefit from f2f time. David,
   are you interested in volunteering for this as well?
   ... anyone else?

   DavidC: Happy to work with someone else on this.
   ... Maybe you could ask Chris to join me on this topic as well
   so we can do it together.

   <scribe> ACTION: Matt Stone to ask Chris Webber if he will work
   with David Chadwick on leading the ToU/Rights section.

   stonematt: The key thing here is to distinguish between what we
   have in scope today (data model) vs. what might be in a future
   charter regarding protocol.
   ... We can definitely stray into the latter area in our f2f
   discussion but need to eventually focus.

   DavidC: need to define the semantics of a data item.

   stonematt: later that day we will talk about rechartering, so
   it's expected to talk about future items to some extent.
   ... Next item is ZKP

   BrentZ: I volunteer to lead the discussion on this one.

   stonematt: Thank you!
   ... DavidC or DanB, any update on PING?

   DavidC: They have sent out updated version of the privacy and
   security questionnaire. They will propose a procedure for how
   other groups will interact with them. Namely, fill out their
   questionnaire.
   ... we never sent them our answers to the questionnaire.

   (Dan B disagrees)

   stonematt: are we/they suggesting we don't have a meeting with
   them?

   DavidC: I think we should.
   ... and I will talk with them about it.
   ... we should all look at the answers I wrote up a few months
   ago so maybe we can forward the answers to them next week.

   ClareNelson: glad to help Brent with ZKP session.

   DavidC: I have the answers locally on my computer. Can send
   them out again or post them. Just need ot know where.

   burn: I don't think there will be time for review before next
   week because of RWoT but we can get reviews of them next week.

   DavidC: I will send out the answers I wrote up before by this
   weekend. We will plan to send answers to PING in two weeks
   time.

   stonematt: Next topic is recharter. Maybe we extend, maybe we
   recharter, maybe we don't. That's the discussion. Who should
   lead?

   burn: We should open the discussion as chairs.

   stonematt: The remainder of Friday is open issues/PRs/topics.
   ... Thanks everyone for volunteering!

Have we deferred delegation?

   Related issues:
   [16]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/labels/Delegation

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/labels/Delegation

   stonematt: we may not have everyone on the call today that we
   need for this discussion, but let's try.
   ... I believe we are planning to defer this, but we want to
   confirm that. How should we approach this discussion over the
   next few months?
   ... There are multiple items with the Delegation label, and
   maybe the decision differs for each

   DavidC: question: what does deferred mean? That there's no
   mention when the first version comes out?
   ... anybody can issue anything (any VC). If you create one
   you've already done delegation. What does deferred mean?

   stonematt: much of the discussion has gone beyond data model
   into how it might be used by individuals or computers. That's
   more than just verifying the claim. Anything beyond stating a
   claim we should stay away from in the data model spec. In the
   protocol discusison we can talk about it.

   DavidC: But in X.509 cert, it contains a field indicating
   whether delegation is allowed or not. If you get the cert as a
   user, you cannot delegate if the cert said you couldn't.

   <DavidC> The field is basic constraints

   stonematt: yes, this sounds like it is still an open issue. We
   need a way to resolve this in the current charter. We are not
   all aligned here. Today's answer is that we don't know what it
   means to 'defer' this topic.

   burn: +1

   <TallTed> +1 deferral is not yet clear, as the topic definition
   is not quite clear...

   stonematt: we will put this back on the agenda for next week.
   We have some PRs in this space.

Data Model PR review

   [17]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls

   <stonematt> [18]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/235

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/235

   scribe: PR #235. No one from this PR on the call today.
   ... looking for ones I think have appropriate attendance to
   address today.

   <stonematt> [19]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/229

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/229

   PR #229: DavidC, have you been following this?

   DavidC: yes, but not in the last week.

   stonematt: Probably falls into same discussion around
   delegation space.

   DavidC: yeah, no progress.

   stonematt: #228 hasn't been pulled in yet, but should be ready
   for editors to merge.

   <stonematt> [20]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/227

     [20] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/227

   stonematt: David on #227 what is the status?

   DavidC: waiting for comments from Manu and Dlongley before
   revising. Still need Manu's input.

   stonematt: we will put pressure on Manu after RWoT
   ... #217 Lovesh?

   <stonematt> [21]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/217

     [21] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/217

   BrentZ: I can talk with Lovesh on this and #214 to find out the
   status. Will have something to report next time.

   stonematt: Thanks!

   <stonematt> thanks BrentZ !

   stonematt: #210 That's mine, and I will work on it this week.
   The strategy is to move the refresh service out of the core and
   into Advanced Topics.
   ... that's all the PRs

   DavidC: on #210, I suggested some wording that Manu agreed
   with. Can you please review and incorporate?

   stonematt: Yes, will do.
   ... I will reach out to you directly with any questions

Test Suite

   stonematt: Yancy, are you on the call?

   Yancy: Yes. Haven't had a chance to dive into the test suite in
   the last two weeks. Will try to this week. Unfortunately I will
   not make it to TPAC.

   stonematt: we haven't had movement on the test suite for over a
   month.
   ... would love if you could look into it.

   Yancy: will do.

   stonematt: I think that's it. Any other business for today?
   ... thanks all. See you next week!

   <stonematt> Good bye all!

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Matt Stone to ask Chris Webber if he will work
   with David Chadwick on leading the ToU/Rights section.

Summary of Resolutions

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