- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 18:13:17 +0000
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D77D2AC0.62574%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
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Agenda+ Assign Roles
Chairs: Nigel Megitt
Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!
Regrets:
Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!
IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
2. TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
3. TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
4. IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
5. IMSC vNext requirements Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
6. CSS Actions Review
7. TTML Profile Registry Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
8. WebVTT (David Singer to Chair if present)
9. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
August meetings:
Thursday 2nd August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 9th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 16th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) - NM regrets, provisionally cancelled
Thursday 23rd August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) - NM regrets, provisionally cancelled
Thursday 30th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s) -
IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work
Further ahead:
Next planned face to face: TPAC 2018 Lyon<https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html>, 22-26 October.
Future meeting times: Switch to UTC from Boston time as the basis?
Agenda+ TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
No actions due in tracker.
Next steps to complete the TTML1 3rd Ed implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML1-3ED_implementation_report
Proposal to publish TTML1 CR2 to reduce delta to TTML2, depending on publication timelines – Nigel has proposed an approach, hoping to discuss with Philippe when he is available.
Recent Activity
Call for Consensus to publish CR2 sent July 17th: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jul/0115.html
Proposed timeline for publication: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jul/att-0119/00-part
TTML1 3rd Edition CR was published on 24th April at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/ (and pointed to by https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ also).
No pull requests merged or issues closed.
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
No pull requests opened this week.
Two pull requests open for longer:
Proposed #353 Move edition number to subtitle (#352)<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/353>
Proposed #357 TTML1 3ED CR2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/357>
New (and old) Issues to Discuss
No issues opened this week.
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
No issues or pull requests marked for the agenda
Links
TTML1 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda
TTML1 issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues
Most recent TTML1 3rd Edition CR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/
TTML1 Tests repo: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1-tests
Agenda+ TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
ACTION-443<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams 2018-07-05 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
What needs to be done to complete the TTML2 implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/TTML2ImplementationReport
Recent Activity
TTML2 CR3 Call for Consensus sent 24th July: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jul/0173.html
23 Pull requests merged by 2 people
Merged #930 Map out-of-line animation to inline animation to handle styling seman…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/930>
Merged #928 Clarify that descendants of conditionally excluded elements are alway…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/928>
Merged #909 Clarify computed cell size; improve language pertaining to pixels (#8…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/909>
Merged #890 Clarify use of terms altitude, depth, and line gap; add non-normative…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/890>
Merged #925 Improve structure, handle image in [flow transformation], and link pr…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/925>
Merged #923 Miscellaneous editorial improvements (#895).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/923>
Merged #922 Sort order of elements in list in 10.4.4.4 (#916).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/922>
Merged #911 Editorial improvements to 11.3.1.2 Inline Regions (#903).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/911>
Merged #900 Improve definition of conditionally excluded (included) (#893).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/900>
Merged #899 Editorial improvements for 'content element' usage (#892).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/899>
Merged #886 Note potential for false negatives with [validate document] (#876).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/886>
Merged #924 Address possible conflict in placement of ruby text containers (#882).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/924>
Merged #921 Allow continuous animation of border color (#917).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/921>
Merged #920 Add @extent to isd:{sequence,isd} (#919).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/920>
Merged #867 Clarify constancy of ECP and EPP (#860).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/867>
Merged #914 Scale back style animatability (#881).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/914>
Merged #913 Update TTML1 reference (#884).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/913>
Merged #912 Note that ISD construction may include early style resolution (#904).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/912>
Merged #908 Fix typos and styling (#894).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/908>
Merged #898 Ensure audio and image (in presentation contexts) are treated as cont…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/898>
Merged #897 Add clip{Begin,End} attributes to tt:audio in schemas (#887).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/897>
Merged #902 Update acknowledgments (#901).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/902>
Merged #915 Switch to CR entities, update dates in status.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/915>
22 Issues closed by 2 people
Closed #927 Out-of-line animations are not included in Specified Style Set Processing<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/927>
Closed #926 Clarify that descendants of conditionally excluded elements cannot be included<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/926>
Closed #896 Clarify computed cell size, improve pixel related term definitions and usage.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/896>
Closed #889 Improve consistency of terminology w.r.t. line height computation.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/889>
Closed #905 Improvements to Synchronic Flow Processing §11.3.1.4.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/905>
Closed #895 Miscellaneous editorial improvements.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/895>
Closed #916 Order items alphabetically in 10.4.4.4 step (1).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/916>
Closed #903 Editorial improvements to Inline Regions §11.3.1.2.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/903>
Closed #893 Refine conditional {ex,in}clusion terms.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/893>
Closed #892 Miscellaneous corrections w.r.t. "content element(s)".<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/892>
Closed #876 Clarify that [validate document] may produce false positive results.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/876>
Closed #882 Two text containers with same tts:rubyPosition (not "outside").<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/882>
Closed #917 Allow continuous animation of border color.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/917>
Closed #919 Add missing @extent attribute to isd:isd.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/919>
Closed #860 Clarify that construct effective {content,processor} profile is performed only once.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/860>
Closed #881 Unicode bidi should probably not be animatable.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/881>
Closed #884 Change TTML1 normative reference to TTML1 3ED.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/884>
Closed #904 Editorial improvements to ISD Construction §11.3.1.3.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/904>
Closed #894 Fix typos or styling.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/894>
Closed #891 Add audio, image in presentation contexts to content elements.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/891>
Closed #887 Add clipBegin and clipEnd to schemas.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/887>
Closed #901 Update acknowledgments.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/901>
Pull Requests open for review (to discuss if requested):
No pull requests open at this time.
New (and old) Issues and Pull Requests to discuss:
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
TTML2 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/labels/agenda
1 Issue created by 1 person
Opened #918 Edit I.2.3 for concept, terminology, and style consistency.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/918>
There are currently no Issues labelled for the Agenda
Links
Most recent CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml2-20180313/
Current ED available at https://w3c.github.io/ttml2/
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
Agenda+ IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
None in tracker (see CSS actions below though)
What is the status of the implementation report and test suite?
Recent Activity
The CfC to publish IMSC 1.1 as CR2 has closed: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jul/0114.html
Thierry has requested the transition: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Jul/att-0118/00-part
No pull requests merged or issues closed.
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
No pull requests opened this week.
Two pull requests open for more than a week:
Proposed #415 IMSC 1.1 CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/415>
Proposed #379 General update<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/379>
New (and old) Issues to Discuss
No issues created.
No issues or pull requests currently labelled as agenda.
Links
IMSC issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda :
IMSC issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked
IMSC 1.0.1
Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
IMSC 1.0.1 Rec published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20180424/
IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ - we have resolved to supersede this in favour of 1.0.1
IMSC 1.1 CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml-imsc1.1-20180503/
Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.
IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
IMSC 1.1 FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml-imsc1.1-20171017/
Unicode CLDR discussion
Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
Agenda+ IMSC vNext Requirements
Links
IMSCvNext Requirements editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/imsc-vnext-reqs/
IMSCvNext Requirements repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs
Recent Activity
1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #35 Add support for #length-root-container-relative to Text Profile<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/35>
2 Issues closed by 2 people
Closed #33 Consider adding requirement for support for rw and rh units<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/33>
Closed #36 Since some style attributes are permitted in Image profile, permit `#initial`<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/36>
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
No pull requests currently open and no pull requests or issues opened.
PROPOSAL: Publish IMSC v1.1 Requirements as a WG Note
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
IMSC Requirements issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/agenda :
IMSC Requirements issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/blocked
Agenda+ CSS actions review
There is 1 upcoming action.
ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
ACTION-512<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512/edit> open Raise an issue with css wg requesting support for lineshear<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/512> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux 2018-07-05 TTML IMSC 1.1<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/13>
For reference, we have the following CSS issues open:
[css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML>css-align-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-align-4> css-sizing-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-sizing-4> css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
[css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>
[css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
Additionally the following CSS issues may be of interest:
[css-fonts-4] oblique angle for synthesis in vertical text <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2869> css-fonts-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Acss-fonts-4>
Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed?
See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html
CSS WG review
Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35
Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html
This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements
TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138
CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
Agenda+ TTML Profile Registry
Links
TTML Profile Registry editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/tt-profile-registry/
TTML Profile Registry repository: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry
Recent Activity
No pull requests merged or issues closed.
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
No pull requests currently open and no pull requests opened.
1 Issue created by 1 person
Opened #37 MIME type in Abstract is wrong<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues/37>
PROPOSAL: Publish IMSC v1.1 Requirements as a WG Note
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
TTML Profile Registry issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/labels/agenda :
Agenda+ WebVTT
Actions
None in tracker
Links
WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
Activity
1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #445 Fix typo in section 4.2.2<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/445>
1 Issue closed by 1 person
Closed #428 Typo in "4.2.2. WebVTT caption or subtitle cue text" section<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/428>
No pull requests proposed.
5 pull requests open for longer than a week:
Proposed #439 Fix some links from the linkchecker and the broken process document link<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/439>
Proposed #430 Fontsize changes<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/430>
Proposed #434 Add a definition of "video viewport" and how it relates in HTML5 to object size resolution.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/434>
Proposed #438 Update CLA and License agreement<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/438>
Proposed #419Timeranges<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419>
No other issues created this week.
Agenda+ AOB
References
Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
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