- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:03:23 +0000
- To: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
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Thanks all for attending today's TTWG meeting. Minutes can be found in HTML format at https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-minutes.html
In text form:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
19 Apr 2018
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Philippe, Cyril, Glenn, Nigel, Andreas
Regrets
Pierre, Thierry
Chair
Nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]This meeting
2. [5]TTWG Charter
3. [6]TTML1 3rd Ed CR
4. [7]TTML2
5. [8]IMSC 1.0.1
6. [9]IMSC 1.1 CR
7. [10]CSS actions
8. [11]WebVTT CR publication, actions
9. [12]AD Community Group
10. [13]Meeting close
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<scribe> scribe: nigel
This meeting
Philippe: Thierry sends his regrets until May 11.
Nigel: Today, for the agenda we have Charter, TTML1 3ED CR
publication, TTML2,
... IMSC 1.1 CR transition, CSS, WebVTT CR transition.
... For AOB, I'd like to point to the AD Community Group I
proposed, for general interest.
... Any other business or particular points to cover?
group: [silence]
TTWG Charter
<plh>
[16]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018Apr
Jun/0008.html
[16] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018AprJun/0008.html
Philippe: The Charter went out for AC review earlier today. The
only change that was done
... to the Charter was to re-add the explicit mention of the
APA group in the dependencies.
... One of the things that we do right now for a transition is
to check the dependency list
... - operationally it should not make any difference to you
guys. If you try to move forward
... without proper vetting from the accessibility group you are
going to be called out.
... I made some very minor tweaks in a separate pull request.
The end of the review
... period is May 17. We expect the new Charter to begin around
end of May, which matches
... the end date of the current Charter. Unless things go wild
during AC review you should
... keep doing what you are doing, no disruption for the WG.
Nigel: Thank you. I did see the APA thing and comment on it.
... The only other thing I noticed recently is that a change to
our Decision Policy slipped in,
... and I raised an issue to revert it.
Philippe: At this point to make a change like that we would
need the feedback through the
... AC. If your AC rep points to that issue, that would be very
helpful.
... Alternatively if anyone would rather not make that change,
make sure that is surfaced
... in the AC review too.
Glenn: It does not sound like it would make much difference so
I recommend making no change.
[17]Revert Decision Policy? #27
[17] https://github.com/w3c/charter-timed-text/issues/27
Nigel: I would rather not have the discretion here.
Philippe: I am ambivalent on this. The cost to make the change
is minimal as far as I know.
Nigel: Thank you Philippe.
Glenn: At least Skynav and IRT have already responded.
Philippe: Great, thank you. I will provide reminders as the
time approaches.
TTML1 3rd Ed CR
Philippe: My understanding is the Director has made a decision
but the document has not
... been published so I will take care of it at the top of my
list. It has not been done because
... Thierry has not been around.
... I will reach out to Pierre to make sure that what I publish
is what you guys want me to
... publish on that.
... I'm going to shoot for publication on Tuesday.
Nigel: That would be great.
Glenn: If there's a difficulty I can step in but Pierre is on
point for this right now.
Nigel: There's one open editorial issue, #349, which I would
rather be fixed if possible,
... but I'd rather publish as soon as possible even with that
issue not fixed.
Philippe: Ok
Nigel: Glenn has proposed a pull request that is equivalent for
TTML2, so it should be easy to back-port to TTML1 3rd Ed.
TTML2
Glenn: There are a few pull requests that are lacking review so
I'd appreciate you looking at
... them Nigel, 701, 705, 707 and 716.
Nigel: Apologies, I've been away, I'll get on to those.
Glenn: Thanks, other than that I don't have anything else to
raise.
... There are 3 older pull requests I need to get to, and I'm
expecting to be able to spend
... time on TTML2 shortly and dig into the existing issues that
don't have pull requests.
<plh>
[18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-cfe/2018Mar/000
5.html
[18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-cfe/2018Mar/0005.html
Glenn: My goal would be to plan for a CR2, I'm trying to think
of a good target for publication.
Philippe: With regards to the call for exclusion, you can
safely ignore it.
... It only starts the clock on the diff between CR1 and CR2.
Glenn: Okay we need to see what the substantive changes are.
... I'm hoping to have it wrapped up at the latest by the end
of May but I'd like to try before
... that, maybe mid-May if possible, let's say May 15.
Nigel: For a version of the spec for the WG to review for
publication?
Glenn: If we take that into account, I'd like to publish by end
of May, so I'll definitely aim for May 15.
... I'm still trying to get to a July 1 Rec date, so if we push
to end of May for beginning review
... then that's really tight.
<plh>
[19]https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/?rec=2018-07
-03
[19] https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/?rec=2018-07-03
Philippe: The latest date to publish the CR is April 17!
Glenn: okay, we've missed that.
Philippe: There are several constraints - you need 4 weeks for
AC review, so that's one month,
... and you should count in general 1 week for Director
decision and publication assuming
... we do not receive any objections and the stars are aligned
for publication.
... Another constraint is the patent policy, so the end of AC
review cannot be later than 10
... days after the end of the exclusion period.
Glenn: Clearly we're not going to get to Rec by July 1 so
probably the best we can hope for
... is getting to PR by July 1.
Philippe: If you publish an updated CR on June 5 then the PR
will be mid-July at the earliest.
... If you want PR at beginning of June then you need to
publish the updated CR on 24th April.
Glenn: Okay, so looks like we might be mid-June at the earliest
for the PR.
IMSC 1.0.1
Nigel: Where are we up to with IMSC 1.0.1 Rec publication?
Philippe: It looks like this fell into a crack. We got full
support, so I'm going to try to get
... Director approval by tomorrow afternoon for publication on
Tuesday if I can squeeze it in.
Nigel: I'm aware of other external groups waiting for IMSC
1.0.1 Rec publication too.
Philippe: I'll do it for Tuesday.
Nigel: Thank you!
IMSC 1.1 CR
Nigel: We made the resolution so we need the transition
request.
Philippe: This will probably not happen until next week so I'll
send you a draft on Monday
... probably Nigel, if you don't get it then ping me, hopefully
that will mean we can publish
... on Tuesday the following week.
Nigel: Okay, thank you!
CSS actions
Andreas: One member who had a leading role presenting issues in
the joint meeting was
... Pierre so I'm reluctant to discuss the issues without him,
I would rather wait until next week.
Nigel: Okay, I just want to highlight for the minutes that work
has happened in CSS WG
... and note that Pierre and I have made some comments. I'd
like to encourage any other
... members of TTWG to review those issues and contribute any
other views, supporting or
... otherwise.
[20][css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block
of text within its container
[20] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975
[21][css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend
to before-and after-edges of the line area
[21] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974
[22][css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at
line start and end
[22] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973
Nigel: We can come back to these issues for further discussion
next week assuming we're quorate.
WebVTT CR publication, actions
Nigel: David closed the call for consensus saying it passes,
and I think he has asked for a
... transition request to be prepared.
Philippe: I need to do something similar as with IMSC 1.1.
... Which one came first?
Nigel: The IMSC 1.1 decision was declared first.
Philippe: Then I will put WebVTT at the bottom of my queue.
Nigel: I want to close off the two outstanding issues on this,
which have been cluttering the agenda
... pointlessly for years I think:
action-396?
<trackbot> action-396 -- David Singer to Produce evidence of
request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive -- due
2015-04-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396
[23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396
close action-396
<trackbot> Closed action-396.
Nigel: I believe David considers this done!
action-502?
<trackbot> action-502 -- Thierry Michel to Explain to david
that we need a more consistent disposition of comments for
webvtt. -- due 2017-08-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502
[24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502
Nigel: If Thierry hasn't done this yet then I'm surprised.
Reopen if necessary please.
close action-502
<trackbot> Closed action-502.
AD Community Group
[25]Proposed Group: Audio Description Community Group
[25] https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2018/04/05/proposed-group-audio-description-community-group/
Nigel: I proposed this on April 5, and it now has 13
supporters.
... The idea is to create a profile of TTML2 for AD, eventually
to be added to the TTWG Charter
... for Rec track later.
Philippe: If you want to add this to the Charter then that can
be done by discussion with
... Thierry, Wendy et al. Similarly if you want to create a new
WG, talk to Wendy.
... FYI they are tracking those type of things in GitHub so you
can go there and add them
... to their list.
<plh> [26]https://github.com/w3c/strategy/projects/2
[26] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/projects/2
Nigel: Great, thank you.
... Who looks after the creation of the CG?
Philippe: Let me find out - I'll make sure the right person
presses the right button!
Nigel: Okay, thank you.
... By the way, we will be looking for an Editor for that AD
profile.
Meeting close
Nigel: We've hit the end of our agenda, so thank you everyone,
have the rest of the time back! [adjourns meeting]
<plh> CG has been approved
[27]AD Community Group
[27] https://www.w3.org/community/audio-description/
Nigel: Thank you!
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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