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RE: TT and subtitling

From: Neil Smith <neil@comatose.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:02:23 +0000
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To: public-tt@w3.org

I tend to agree with the NOT-STYLE comment : With that "hidden-hover" tag 
for example, the possibility should exist within a text stream for generic 
markup : But it should not actually specify the screen representation : 
that should be left to css.

The specific CSS support is then left to the displaying device.

For example some UAs may wish to render this as display:none, others as 

One person may set up a user-stylesheet to render hidden markup as bold, 
another as a particular colour (because for example they have a degree of 
colour blindness). Some people may not wish to see the semantic markup at 
all, while others may want terminology explained and displayed differently 
(eg the <dt> tag in HTML).

These can all be handled by css without specifying the actual display type 
inline in the code.

Neil Smith.

At 10:35 05/02/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>"semantic markup vocabulary should be avoided where possible"
>It may be necessary to include markup that has semantic implications, for
>example hidden text that provides definitions of terms, expansions of
>acronyms etc.
>The M.D.<hidden-hover>Managing Director<\hidden-hover> of Blah corporation
>Such a tag would have a meaning to the viewer implementation yet is also in
>effect converying semantic information about the text it encompases. So I
>tend towards a more mechanistic view - that the tags should represent
>mechanisms involved in TT delivery and display (but not STYLE :-) - not the
>semantic of the text itself. So TT should perhaps support layers of text
>presentation - yet not in a way that implies what those layers are for.....
>John Birch
>The views and opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily
>reflect the views and opinions of Screen Subtitling Systems Limited.

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