Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT

I think a test site that actually exercised the full spec., and deployment sites that in aggregate used the full spec., would help move matters along.

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 16:23 , Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I know of at least one company looking into implementing DNT right now, including using the API, and several others who will in the next year. I hope to be able to introduce at least one in the next few weeks.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob van Eijk [mailto:rob@blaeu.com] 
> Sent: 23 August 2016 20:29
> To: Carl Cargill <cargill@adobe.com>
> Cc: Aleecia M. McDonald <aleecia@aleecia.com>; public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org) (public-tracking@w3.org) <public-tracking@w3.org>
> Subject: RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT
> 
> 
> A realistic outcome to work on are standard implementations. It should 
> be obvious and simple for companies to implement the standard. The 
> standard implementations should cover the whole range of realistic use 
> case, e.g. out-of-band consent, site specific consent scenario's, and 
> all the way up the stack to web wide opt-out scenario's.
> 
> Morover, we should - in my view - think through how we can improve the 
> building blocks in the TPE to help organizations that do not have access 
> to the web server configuration and are therefore not able to configure 
> the HTTP Header.
> 
> I will try to bring at least one big organization to the table that is 
> willing to explore implementation at scale.
> 
> Rob
> 
> Carl Cargill schreef op 2016-08-23 20:10:
>> All -
>> 
>> I think that Aleecia's suggestion to gather information on use and
>> potential outcomes has merit.  It would be good to be able to show
>> that - if the charter is extended/recreated, there will be a need/use
>> for the spec.  I'll be happy to act as the advocate for such a meeting
>> (A BoF table or meeting after regularly scheduled activities) at TPAC.
>> The only thing that I ask is that the meeting work towards an
>> outcome, and not serve as a bully pulpit for an opinion.  As I've
>> often said, a standard only gains credibility when it is implemented
>> on a scale that impacts the market.
>> 
>> Carl
>> 
>> 
>> Carl Cargill
>> Principal Scientist, Standards
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> cargill@adobe
>> Work:  +1 541 488 0040
>> Mobile: +1 650 759 9803
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aleecia M. McDonald [mailto:aleecia@aleecia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:55 AM
>> To: public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)
>> (public-tracking@w3.org) <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>> 
>> +1 to postponing the charter decision pending more information / real
>> world outcomes.
>> I think that is wise and has minimal cost.
>> 
>> I would call in to TPAC, if possible. I cannot attend in person.
>> 
>> (We also talked of a hackathon. I have a meeting tomorrow that will
>> help me understand the level of pain involved to throw one.)
>> 
>>  Aleecia
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will be there mid-week and could make Wednesday, I think. best, Joe
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:39 AM, TOUBIANA Vincent <vtoubiana@cnil.fr> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> If this session is confirmed I'm also likely to attend.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Vincent
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De : Mike O'Neill [michael.oneill@baycloud.com]
>>>> Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2016 16:26
>>>> À : 'Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation)'; public-tracking@w3.org
>>>> Objet : RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>>> 
>>>> I have booked in for TPAC middle 3 days, though not air tickets yet. 
>>>> I will be there if others are going.
>>>> 
>>>> From: Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) 
>>>> [mailto:mts-std@schunter.org]
>>>> Sent: 23 August 2016 13:58
>>>> To: public-tracking@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> thanks for your quick response! To be honest: I have not 100% decided 
>>>> whether I can make TPAC (and you caught me at it) ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that such a discussion would be worthwhile. Ideally, I would 
>>>> like to obtain some indication of potential interest before deciding 
>>>> whether to reschedule my other travels to make room for attending 
>>>> TPAC.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Could you and/or Wendy advise me how to best make it happen?
>>>> 
>>>> The best option seems to me to propose a breakout session for 
>>>> wednesday, right? Are there other preferred options?
>>>> Is there a list to which I could send a "call for participation" to 
>>>> collect expressions of interest?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Am 23.08.2016 14:26, schrieb Jeff Jaffe:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/23/2016 8:17 AM, Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Team,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> one point we discussed during our last call was whether the EU 
>>>> landscape
>>>> changes and whether TPE may play a key role to simplify compliance 
>>>> with
>>>> the changing EU landscape.
>>>> 
>>>> I had an interesting discussion with Rob. What I learned is that the 
>>>> EU
>>>> regulators are currently pushing for more informed consent and that 
>>>> the
>>>> current "implied consent" for tracking and cookies may soon go away.
>>>> Another topic will be machine-managed and readable consent to 
>>>> simplify
>>>> consent handingl
>>>> 
>>>> Regulations that are upcoming (Rob: Please correct me if I remembered
>>>> correctly):
>>>> - 2018 E Privacy Regulation (replacing the 1995 privacy directive by 
>>>> one
>>>> EU-wide regulation)
>>>> - 2019 Cookie Regulation (replacing the 2009 cookie directive by one
>>>> EU-wide regulation)
>>>>    In September, a first draft will be published.
>>>> 
>>>> If web-site owners agree with these observations, then there should 
>>>> be
>>>> increasing demand for DNT (or other approaches for handling consent).
>>>> 
>>>> What I am now looking for is:
>>>> - Input from EU players whether they are indeed concerned on how to
>>>> handle automated consent
>>>> - Further requirements how W3C TPWG can simplify compliance in the EU
>>>> - Additional members of our WG that can represent this perspective 
>>>> and
>>>> requirements (ideally from an end-user perspective).
>>>> - I may try to visit the TPAC in Lisbon to gather more inputs.
>>>> 
>>>> I will try to reach out to IAB Europe (I will also discuss with EFF 
>>>> to
>>>> get their input on using TPE for expressing compliance with EFF 
>>>> rules).
>>>> 
>>>> Formally, I would like to postpone the re-charter discussion into
>>>> October to have more data as input for this decision (e.g. one input
>>>> will be the draft EU cookie regulation published in September).
>>>> 
>>>> Any inputs, suggestions, feedback are welcome!
>>>> 
>>>> All that makes sense to me.
>>>> 
>>>> But it leaves out what item that we discussed at the last call.  I 
>>>> thought you were going to assemble the major European players at TPAC 
>>>> (since it is in Lisbon, so they will be there already) and use that 
>>>> meeting to assess the common understanding of the need for DNT.  Your 
>>>> comment above ("I may visit TPAC") sounds like the idea of a major 
>>>> discussion in TPAC has been dropped.  Do I understand correctly?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Dave Singer

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