RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT

All -

I think that Aleecia's suggestion to gather information on use and potential outcomes has merit.  It would be good to be able to show that - if the charter is extended/recreated, there will be a need/use for the spec.  I'll be happy to act as the advocate for such a meeting (A BoF table or meeting after regularly scheduled activities) at TPAC.  The only thing that I ask is that the meeting work towards an outcome, and not serve as a bully pulpit for an opinion.  As I've often said, a standard only gains credibility when it is implemented on a scale that impacts the market.

Carl


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-----Original Message-----
From: Aleecia M. McDonald [mailto:aleecia@aleecia.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:55 AM
To: public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org) (public-tracking@w3.org) <public-tracking@w3.org>
Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT

+1 to postponing the charter decision pending more information / real world outcomes.
I think that is wise and has minimal cost.

I would call in to TPAC, if possible. I cannot attend in person. 

(We also talked of a hackathon. I have a meeting tomorrow that will help me understand the level of pain involved to throw one.)

 Aleecia

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
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> I will be there mid-week and could make Wednesday, I think. best, Joe
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:39 AM, TOUBIANA Vincent <vtoubiana@cnil.fr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If this session is confirmed I'm also likely to attend.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Vincent
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> De : Mike O'Neill [michael.oneill@baycloud.com]
>> Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2016 16:26
>> À : 'Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation)'; public-tracking@w3.org
>> Objet : RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>> 
>> I have booked in for TPAC middle 3 days, though not air tickets yet. I will be there if others are going.
>> 
>> From: Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) [mailto:mts-std@schunter.org]
>> Sent: 23 August 2016 13:58
>> To: public-tracking@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
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>> thanks for your quick response! To be honest: I have not 100% decided whether I can make TPAC (and you caught me at it) ;-)
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>> I agree that such a discussion would be worthwhile. Ideally, I would like to obtain some indication of potential interest before deciding whether to reschedule my other travels to make room for attending TPAC.
>> 
>> 
>> Could you and/or Wendy advise me how to best make it happen?
>> 
>> The best option seems to me to propose a breakout session for wednesday, right? Are there other preferred options?
>> Is there a list to which I could send a "call for participation" to collect expressions of interest?
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>> Regards,
>> 
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>> 
>> Matthias
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>> Am 23.08.2016 14:26, schrieb Jeff Jaffe:
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>> On 8/23/2016 8:17 AM, Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) wrote:
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>> Hi Team,
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>> 
>> one point we discussed during our last call was whether the EU landscape
>> changes and whether TPE may play a key role to simplify compliance with
>> the changing EU landscape.
>> 
>> I had an interesting discussion with Rob. What I learned is that the EU
>> regulators are currently pushing for more informed consent and that the
>> current "implied consent" for tracking and cookies may soon go away.
>> Another topic will be machine-managed and readable consent to simplify
>> consent handingl
>> 
>> Regulations that are upcoming (Rob: Please correct me if I remembered
>> correctly):
>> - 2018 E Privacy Regulation (replacing the 1995 privacy directive by one
>> EU-wide regulation)
>> - 2019 Cookie Regulation (replacing the 2009 cookie directive by one
>> EU-wide regulation)
>>     In September, a first draft will be published.
>> 
>> If web-site owners agree with these observations, then there should be
>> increasing demand for DNT (or other approaches for handling consent).
>> 
>> What I am now looking for is:
>> - Input from EU players whether they are indeed concerned on how to
>> handle automated consent
>> - Further requirements how W3C TPWG can simplify compliance in the EU
>> - Additional members of our WG that can represent this perspective and
>> requirements (ideally from an end-user perspective).
>> - I may try to visit the TPAC in Lisbon to gather more inputs.
>> 
>> I will try to reach out to IAB Europe (I will also discuss with EFF to
>> get their input on using TPE for expressing compliance with EFF rules).
>> 
>> Formally, I would like to postpone the re-charter discussion into
>> October to have more data as input for this decision (e.g. one input
>> will be the draft EU cookie regulation published in September).
>> 
>> Any inputs, suggestions, feedback are welcome!
>> 
>> All that makes sense to me.
>> 
>> But it leaves out what item that we discussed at the last call.  I thought you were going to assemble the major European players at TPAC (since it is in Lisbon, so they will be there already) and use that meeting to assess the common understanding of the need for DNT.  Your comment above ("I may visit TPAC") sounds like the idea of a major discussion in TPAC has been dropped.  Do I understand correctly?
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>> Regards,
>> matthias
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