Re: ISSUE-25 re 5.2 Audience measurement: ACTION 415 June change proposal:

Shane,

Sorry, I always understood the goal of DNT was to provide users with  one simple way to opt out of tracking…

I don't have it front of me, but check the FTC's privacy report language.

Regards,
John

On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

> John,
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> Your concern is that users have more than one choice?  You’d rather force all users into a singular choice and provide them no gradients or fine tuning to these choices?  That doesn’t seem fair to users.
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> User surveys in aggregate appear to say conflicting things: 1) users like personalized experiences -but- 2) don’t feel comfortable with the idea of someone retaining a record of their cross-site activities.  Providing users with a small degree of granularity here (2/3 choices) appears to find the desired balance.
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> - Shane
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> From: John Simpson [mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 11:27 AM
> To: Justin Brookman
> Cc: Shane Wiley; Kathy Joe; Justin@cdt.org; Peter Swire; Israel, Susan; Adam Phillips; public-tracking@w3.org
> Subject: Re: ISSUE-25 re 5.2 Audience measurement: ACTION 415 June change proposal:
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> Justin is right I was referring to ESOMAR's opt-out… And he concisely states my concern.
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> On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Justin Brookman <jbrookman@cdt.org> wrote:
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> Actually, I think John was referring to the separate ESOMAR opt out for audience measurement.  So we are talking about at least three separate processes here under a combined industry standard --- opting out of Audience Measurement, DAA opt out of behavioral advertising, and Do Not Track specific urls.
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> Hoo boy . . .
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> On Jul 9, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
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> John,
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> I believe you’re speaking to the “Aggregate Scoring” element on this point, correct?
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> This gives users choices – each of which should be easily exercised:
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> Do Not Track Me:  Do not retain the URLs of my activities across non-affiliated sites.
> Do Not Profile Me:  Do not build or use a profile of my perceived interests assembled through my activities across non-affiliated sites.
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> Users can turn on both.  DNT will be in the web browser (along with cookie blocking and other privacy tools already in place today).  DNP is associated with the AdChoices icon that will be available on hopefully every ad displayed on the Internet (that’s goal with some exceptions).  Or they can just turn on DNT and continue to receive personalized experiences with the confidence their activities (URLs) across non-affiliated sites will not be retained in a identifiable/linkable manner.
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> - Shane
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> From: John Simpson [mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 10:21 AM
> To: Kathy Joe
> Cc: Justin@cdt.org; Peter Swire; Israel, Susan; Adam Phillips; public-tracking@w3.org
> Subject: Re: ISSUE-25 re 5.2 Audience measurement: ACTION 415 June change proposal:
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> Kathy Joe,
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> I am still troubled by the idea that you have a separate opt-out through an industry website.  This is confusing for consumers and undermines the concept of Do Not Track . 
> Regards,
> John
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> On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Kathy Joe <kathy@esomar.org> wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> In a call last week between Justin Brookman, Peter Swire, Adam Phillips and myself, we discussed audience measurement research and as agreed, here is our proposal (new text in red) drafted to clarify the principle of ‘pseudonymized’ in the normative section, without going into technical detail.
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> “A third party eligible for an audience measurement research permitted use MUST adhere to the following restrictions. The data collected by the third party: 
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> Must be pseudonymized before statistical analysis begins, such that unique key-coded data are used to distinguish one individual from another without identifying them.”
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> I attach Issue 25 with the new text inserted.
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> Susan Israel, Jeff Chester and I have a call scheduled today.
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> Time permitting, we hope that the amended text can be tabled in tomorrow's call.
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