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Re: issue-199

From: Thomas Roessler <tlr@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:52:47 +0200
Cc: michael.oneill@baycloud.com, npdoty@w3.org, public-tracking@w3.org, jeff@democraticmedia.org
Message-Id: <ADA2AB73-70EF-4019-A830-399811DBB95B@w3.org>
To: achapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>
Specific technologies sound like a fine thing to cover in examples or as instances of more general principles.

However, we shouldn't use specific technologies as the topic for high-level principles.

Thomas Roessler, W3C <tlr@w3.org> (@roessler)




On 2013-07-01, at 00:17 +0200, achapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com> wrote:

> I think its a mistake to specify technology. 
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> Cheers,
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> Alan Chapell
> 917 318 8440
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com> 
> Date: 06/30/2013 6:00 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: 'achapell' <achapell@chapellassociates.com>,npdoty@w3.org,tlr@w3.org 
> Cc: public-tracking@w3.org,jeff@democraticmedia.org 
> Subject: RE: issue-199 
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> Alan,
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> Persistent identifiers and their duration should be discussed as part of the red/yellow/green permitted use debate. Browser fingerprinting identifiers are qualitatively different from those stored in cookies or localStorage because they are effectively infinite in duration, so I thought it best to extend the defs. to make that clear.
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> Mike
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> From: achapell [mailto:achapell@chapellassociates.com] 
> Sent: 30 June 2013 22:39
> To: michael.oneill@baycloud.com; npdoty@w3.org; tlr@w3.org
> Cc: public-tracking@w3.org; jeff@democraticmedia.org
> Subject: RE: issue-199
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> Do we want to specify technologies here?  
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> Cheers,
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> Alan Chapell
> 917 318 8440
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com> 
> Date: 06/30/2013 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Nicholas Doty <npdoty@w3.org>,tlr@w3.org 
> Cc: public-tracking@w3.org,jeff@democraticmedia.org 
> Subject: issue-199 
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> Nick, Thomas
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> Dr Dix’s letter reminded me that we need to have some reference to browser fingerprinting being ruled out when DNT is set. I have amended the definitions accordingly.
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> Do you want me to modify the wiki?
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> A persistent identifier is an arbitrary value held in, or derived from other data in, the user agent whose purpose is to identify the user agent in subsequent transactions to a particular web domain. It may be encoded for example as the name or value attribute of an HTTP cookie, as an item in localStorage or recorded in some way in the cache.
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> The duration of a persistent identifier is the maximum period of time it will be retained in the user agent. This could be implemented for example using the Expires or Max-Age attributes of an HTTP cookie so that it is automatically deleted by the user agent after the specified time period is exceeded.
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> Browser fingerprinting is a method of tracking based on creating a persistent identifier from other information either inherent in the content request or already stored in the user agent. Such an identifier may not need itself to be stored in the user-agent as it can be calculated again in subsequent transactions. It follows from this that its duration is effectively unlimited.
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> Justification.
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> With the duration definition, restrictions on permitted uses could then be made that limit the duration of persistent identifiers. Because browser fingerprinting cannot be given a finite duration this tracking method should not be used when DNT is set even if it is for a permitted use. In reality browser fingerprinting solely based on examining initial content requests is usually not an effective tracking method because the combination of IP addresses and other headers are not sufficiently user specific, but we should rule out at least the more complex form when DNT is set.
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> Mike
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