Re: ACTION-212: Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal

John - 

The first sentence is YOUR characterization ­ not mine. I don't think its
the UA's job to "persuade" Users either way. Rather, I think that their
description of what DNT does should be accurate and complete.

I don't fully understand what you mean by your second sentence ­ can you
elaborate? 

Thanks!


From:  John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
Date:  Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:20 PM
To:  Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>
Cc:  Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org"
<public-tracking@w3.org>
Subject:  Re: ACTION-212: Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent
to   turn on a DNT signal
Resent-From:  <public-tracking@w3.org>
Resent-Date:  Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:20:06 +0000

> Alan,
> 
> So what you're proposing is that the UA MUST provide language that would work
> to persuade the user not to enable DNT?
> 
> Should the UA be required to explain the implications for privacy from third
> party sites if DNT:0 is enabled?
> 
> Both ideas are complete non-starters from my perspective....
> 
> Best,
> John
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Alan Chapell wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Shane. I've proposed some additions (IN BOLD) to your language. Thanks
>> to David Wainberg for help drafting, and Walter for providing some direction
>> with his comments to the list.
>> 
>> 
>> Section 5.  User Agent Compliance
>>  
>> A user agent must offer a control to express a tracking preference to third
>> parties. The control must communicate the user's preference in accordance
>> with the [TRACKING-DNT] recommendation and otherwise comply with that
>> recommendation. A user agent must not express a tracking preference for a
>> user unless the user has given express and informed consent to indicate a
>> tracking preference.
>> 
>> A UA MUST incorporate detection mechanisms for alteration of DNT-preferences
>> by third-party software (including third-party UA-extensions and plugins) and
>> MUST upon detection of such changes verify with the user that they reflect
>> the user's intentions. The UA MAY provide the user with the option to ignore
>> future changes in the DNT-preferences or to automatically change them back to
>> a user-set preference.
>>  
>> "The User Agent MUST make available explanatory text to provide more detailed
>> information about DNT functionality within easy and direct access for the
>> particular environment prior to DNT being enabled. The explanatory text MUST
>> include information pertaining to the effects of DNT, including that the
>> User's choice to enact DNT might interfere with the operation of certain
>> content and services and might limit free content that may be available to
>> the User."
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> From:  Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>
>> Date:  Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:19 AM
>> To:  "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Subject:  ACTION-212: Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to
>> turn on a DNT signal
>> Resent-From:  <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date:  Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:20:06 +0000
>> 
>>> [Proposed, New Text in Quotes ³ ³]
>>>  
>>> Section 5.  User Agent Compliance
>>>  
>>> A user agent must offer a control to express a tracking preference to third
>>> parties. The control must communicate the user's preference in accordance
>>> with the [TRACKING-DNT] recommendation and otherwise comply with that
>>> recommendation. A user agent must not express a tracking preference for a
>>> user unless the user has given express and informed consent to indicate a
>>> tracking preference.
>>>  
>>> ³The User Agent MUST make available explanatory text to provide more
>>> detailed information about DNT functionality within easy and direct access
>>> for the particular environment prior to DNT being enabled.²
>