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Re: ISSUE-187 - some thoughts on using javascript

From: Vinay Goel <vigoel@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:17:49 -0800
To: Walter van Holst <walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl>, "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CCC17C8B.1D37E%vigoel@adobe.com>
Hi Walter,

I agree with you that the logical solution would be to store them together
in the UA preferences.  From what I understand, though, the major UAs
would likely not implement this, though.  So, servers are keen on
Adrian's/Ian's latest proposal which removes the dependence on Uas.  I'm
operating under the assumption that in order to have UGEs work in
practice, we have to remove reliance on the UAs.  Is my assumption not
shared amongst others?

Also, how can a server detect loss of a previously granted exception?  If
a server can detect the loss of a previously granted exception, in your
cookie-based approach can the server re-write the exception?

-Vinay

On 11/8/12 3:08 PM, "Walter van Holst" <walter.van.holst@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>On 2012-11-08 20:54, Vinay Goel wrote:
>> I'd question whether the consumer is aware that its UGE is stored in
>> a
>> cookie.  If the UGE was granted as 'bypass your Do Not Track
>> setting', I
>> would expect a consumer to think that this exception has the same
>> persistence as its DNT setting.
>
>Dear Vinay,
>
>I would concur that this would be a potentially unintended consequence
>in some cases. It still do not understand why it would be "unfair". And
>it is a situation which can be rectified easily if the server detects
>loss of a previously granted exception. Or better, by the UA through a
>model as I proposed earlier on for the cases in which the DNT is altered
>by third-party tools.
>
>If there is consensus in this group that UGEs should have the same
>persistence as the general DNT setting, then the only logical solution
>would seem to store them together in the UA preferences. And even then
>equality of their persistence cannot be guaranteerd. Short of
>server-side mirroring of all DNT settings, inlcuding UGEs, their
>persistence cannot be governed by the DNT spec. It probably won't
>surprise you that I am not overly keen on collecting and retaining even
>more user data as a result of the DNT standard than before, to say the
>least.
>
>Regards,
>
>  Walter
>
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