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Re: Allowed uses of protocol data in first N weeks (ACTION-190)

From: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:25:46 -0700
Message-Id: <8B9CCFD1-63DA-43B1-ADCA-8832BE0EA0BC@consumerwatchdog.org>
Cc: "TOUBIANA, VINCENT (VINCENT)" <Vincent.Toubiana@alcatel-lucent.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org Group WG" <public-tracking@w3.org>
To: ifette@google.com
Ian,

This morning's call left me confused.  Does the text proposed by Action-190 apply to both 1st and 3rd parties?

Thank you,
John


On May 9, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, TOUBIANA, VINCENT (VINCENT) <Vincent.Toubiana@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> I believe I should elaborate why I think the current text is too vague. I'm mostly concerned by the following sentence:
> 
> "Similarly, a data collector MUST NOT use the data to build any profile, or associate the data to any profile, of a user used for purposes other than would be allowed outside of the the six week period."
> 
> Why not simply say "Similarly, a data collector MUST NOT use the data for purposes other than those allowed outside of the the six week period." ?
> It seems to me that the examples provided in the rest of the text (see bellow) as well as those mentioned during the phone conference today are actually covered by the permitted uses.
> 
> 
> Playing devil's advocate -- If you say that, then what is the difference between before and after the six week period? I'm not sure what then this exception buys you. I'm not trying to create a back door for some set of nefarious uses, but I'm trying to say instead "Look, if you're not doing anything strange then this should make it trivial for you to comply with this spec if you only retain logs data for six weeks." That covers a lot of people and a lot of legitimate, common, non-scary uses. If you're keeping data for a longer period of time, then there's some burden placed on you as a result.
>  
> "As examples, a data collector MAY use the raw data within a six week period to debug their system, a data collector MAY use the raw data within the six
> week period to build a profile of a user fraudulently or maliciously accessing the system for purposes such as blocking access to the system by that use."
> 
> If the logs can only be used for the "permitted uses" and it's just a question of storing the raw data for six weeks, then I have no objection with this proposal.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> From: イアンフェッティ <ifette@google.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:47:53 -0700
> Message-ID: <CAF4kx8fAu5mcN6JCaZ9WHDQg9Kqtpnko7zMxobySVS-5g5xvBA@mail.gmail.com>
> To: "public-tracking@w3.org Group WG" <public-tracking@w3.org>
> 
> On last week's call, I took an action to write a proposal for protocol data
> in the first N weeks (ACTION-190 and ISSUE-142).
> 
> My proposed text would be as follows, comments welcome:
> 
> Protocol data, meaning data that is transmitted by a user agent, such as a
> web browser, in the process of requesting content from a provider,
> explicitly including items such as IP addresses, cookies, and request URIs,
> MAY be stored for a period of 6 weeks in a form that might not otherwise
> satisfy the requirements of this specification. For instance, the data may
> not yet be reduced to the subset of information allowed to be retained for
> permitted uses (such as fraud detection), and technical controls limiting
> access to the data for permitted uses may not be in place on things like
> raw logs data sitting on servers waiting for processing and aggregation
> into a centralized logs storage service.
> 
> Within this six week period, a data collector MUST NOT share data with
> other parties in a manner that would be prohibited outside of the six week
> period. Similarly, a data collector MUST NOT use the data to build any
> profile, or associate the data to any profile, of a user used for purposes
> other than would be allowed outside of the the six week period. As
> examples, a data collector MAY use the raw data within a six week period to
> debug their system, a data collector MAY use the raw data within the six
> week period to build a profile of a user fraudulently or maliciously
> accessing the system for purposes such as blocking access to the system by
> that user, but the data collector MUST NOT build a profile to serve
> targeted advertisements based on the user's past six weeks of browsing
> activity.
> 
> After the six week period has passed, only the subset of data necessary to
> accomplish the permitted exceptions in this specification may be retained,
> and the data must be controlled in such a way that only access to the data
> for these permitted exceptions is allowed.
> 

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