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RE: ISSUE-111 - Exceptions are broken

From: Kevin Smith <kevsmith@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:24:35 -0800
To: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
CC: "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>, "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>
Message-ID: <6E120BECD1FFF142BC26B61F4D994CF3064CCABB8B@nambx07.corp.adobe.com>
I agree with you Rigo.  But since the chains are dynamic and the 1st party is unaware of all but the first node in the chain, I personally don't know any way it could work except by using a wildcard (an '*') as the 3rd party parameter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigo Wenning [mailto:rigo@w3.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:15 AM
To: Kevin Smith
Cc: public-tracking@w3.org; Roy T. Fielding; Shane Wiley
Subject: Re: ISSUE-111 - Exceptions are broken

Kevin, 

On Thursday 08 March 2012 14:34:58 Kevin Smith wrote:
> Yes - which is the only important part of exceptions, because again, 
> the exception exists because the 1st party wants to know what content 
> to show the user.  The 3rd party has no value by itself.  It is only 
> included to provide value to the 1st party.  If the 1st party cannot 
> make the content decision, then there is no reason to request an 
> exception - it will treat the user as DNT:1 and 3rd parties are completely irrelevant.

I agree, this is important. How can we solve that use-case without creating a privacy incident? Because so far, as you remarked, the service can't see whether I block the http requests to third parties. This has numerous probs, but we must overcome them to create the right incentives. Because there are two possible outcomes if it works:

1/ Services use this to install paywalls for those not looking at very privacy-invasive advertisement. 

2/ If in scenario 1/ users will go away instead, we will see services looking for reasonable monetizing third parties that are acceptable to users. 

This looks like a market to me. And markets are always best to find out the optimum unless they are seen to be defunct (like for apartment rental in France ;). But we can't know if this market is defunct if we haven't tried it out. Again, difficult. 

Your take, Kevin.. ?


Rigo
Received on Friday, 9 March 2012 22:25:08 UTC

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