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Re: The Rubber meets the Road - DNT compliance code

From: イアンフェッティ <ifette@google.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:32:59 -0700
Message-ID: <CAF4kx8c5D=MhFc0KPoDi1Hspi9Qaebkh+ZF2g2ggFgC30yMXSg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com>
Cc: W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org>
Peter,

Clearly people get it wrong a lot ("is this UA mobile") but that code is
far more complex and already widely deployed. Not saying it's easy, but
this is far from the top of the complexity list for DNT :)

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Peter Cranstone
<peter.cranstone@gmail.com>wrote:

> Is this UA mobile?
>
> I've spent 6 years dealing with Mobile UA's (including building two mobile
> browser) and 16 years with server side detection (mod_gzip and more) – if
> only it was that easy.
>
> :)
>
>
> Peter
> ___________________________________
> Peter J. Cranstone
> 720.663.1752
>
>
> From: "Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)" <ifette@google.com>
> Reply-To: <ifette@google.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:26 AM
>
> To: Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com>
> Cc: W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: The Rubber meets the Road - DNT compliance code
>
> Or, "Is this UA mobile? If so, redirect to the mobile site"
>
> Again, this is neither new nor hard.
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) <ifette@google.com>wrote:
>
>> Many websites already do this -- "serve this JS to this user agent". It
>> is neither complex nor hard.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Peter Cranstone <
>> peter.cranstone@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> There's a lot of questions around a non-compliant UA sending a DNT
>>> header. There's still no definition on the forum or the spec on what
>>> constitutes a non compliant UA, or even who is going to maintain a
>>> "blacklist" of those non-compliant UA's.?Finally there's no description of
>>> a message that should be sent back to the consumer indicating that he's
>>> using a non-compliant UA.?
>>>
>>> So I'm posting a link today of what something might look like running on
>>> a server. The reason this is in PHP is because there are lot of servers (in
>>> the 10's of millions) that cannot suddenly start adding server side modules
>>> that do the detection. So it will all have to be done via a script.
>>>
>>> Think about this for a moment. In the real world server side admins are
>>> going to have to add code to EVERY CGI script to do this. The performance
>>> hit is going to be HUGE.
>>>
>>> Here's the link:?http://www.5o9mm.com/mod_dnt_test_1.php?
>>>
>>> We've blacklisted the following browsers:
>>>
>>> HTTP_DNT_BLACKLISTED_USER_AGENT_1 = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0;
>>> Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0)
>>> HTTP_DNT_BLACKLISTED_USER_AGENT_2 = Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0;
>>> Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0)
>>> HTTP_DNT_BLACKLISTED_USER_AGENT_3 = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0;
>>> Windows NT 6.0; Trident/5.0)
>>> HTTP_DNT_BLACKLISTED_USER_AGENT_4 = Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0;
>>> Windows NT 6.0; Trident/5.0)
>>> HTTP_DNT_BLACKLISTED_USER_AGENT_5 = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0;
>>> rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1
>>>
>>> So every time someone hits the Web site we have to run a check. The
>>> request time for this check on our server is:
>>>
>>> REQUEST_TIME = 1339597469
>>>
>>> For that single page. Now multiply that by every page on your Web site
>>> that is scripted. Ouch.
>>>
>>> Now here's where it gets really interesting. Let's say that I'm on the
>>> blacklist. What does the server do? By rights it should abort the entire
>>> request and send a 400 invalid request response back to the user.
>>>
>>> So what the heck does the user do now?
>>>
>>> If this spec is going to be Trusted and used it has to work in the real
>>> world which is NOT 100% technical. They turn it on (or have it turned on
>>> for them) and they expect magic. They don't expect to be told that there
>>> browser is non-compliant and they can either go get another one or get
>>> tracked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> ___________________________________
>>> Peter J. Cranstone
>>> 720.663.1752
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Received on Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:33:33 UTC

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