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Re: Today's call: summary on user agent compliance

From: Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca>
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:33:16 -0400
Message-ID: <4FD3EB4C.3080500@cippic.ca>
To: ifette@google.com
CC: Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>, Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>, Ninja Marnau <nmarnau@datenschutzzentrum.de>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Hi Ian,

On 6/9/2012 12:49 AM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote:
> I'm not sure I follow you. Surely, Canadian users can use the Internet 
> today without hitting this legal dilemma. If DNT is not available as a 
> negotiation mechanism, either because the site doesn't support it at 
> all or chooses not to support it for a given set of user agents, then 
> you are in the same situation that you are in today. Whatever 
> mechanism are in place today are not going to cease to exist with the 
> rollout of DNT. So, I would presume you would solve this situation the 
> same way you solve it today.

I don't know why you would assume this. It's largely a complaints-driven 
regime. I imagine people have been holding back on complaints only 
because they are waiting for this W3C process to resolve itself.

> I agree it's worth understanding what it would take to address them 
> and try to do so if it's at zero to no cost, however lately it seems 
> like it has become the primary focus and adding great complications, 
> as opposed to an add-on to be done if it's straightforward.

Well, I don't think we should ignore the fact that this entire W3C 
process would not be happening at all if online advertisers did not have 
regulatory problems because they lacked effective mechanisms for meeting 
user expectations. I had understood the W3C process in terms of 
attempting to find ways to address these regulatory challenges. I'm not 
convinced this can only come at 'zero cost'.

Speaking more generally, the work of Internet standards bodies in 
solving problems such as this should be informed, at least, by legal norms.

>     Best regards,
>     Tamir
Received on Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:34:32 UTC

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