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RE: TPE Last Call comments, re: validation of user signals (issue-260)

From: Max Ochoa <Max.Ochoa@turn.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:08:28 +0000
To: Nick Doty <npdoty@w3.org>, "Jack L. Hobaugh Jr" <jack@networkadvertising.org>, "Rachel.Glasser@groupm.com" <Rachel.Glasser@groupm.com>, Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>, "pkosmala@aaaa.org" <pkosmala@aaaa.org>, "Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com>, Chris Mejia <elementslifestylegroup@hotmail.com>, David Wainberg <dwainberg@appnexus.com>, "tstoute@eyereturn.com" <tstoute@eyereturn.com>, "mike@iab.net" <mike@iab.net>, "alevenfeld@rocketfuel.com" <alevenfeld@rocketfuel.com>, Vivek Narayanadas <vnarayanadas@rubiconproject.com>, "nadine.stocklin@pubmatic.com" <nadine.stocklin@pubmatic.com>
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Nick,

WONTFIX won't cut it for Turn, or for anyone who sincerely cares about consumer choice. 

A bedrock principle is (or should have been) that the signal reflects a consumer's informed choice.  In response to some of Turn's comments, Roy states, in part: "If you want to make sure [that the signal reflects the consumer's choice], ask the user."

How exactly is that to happen, when many companies don't have the PII necessary to contact the user?  This is among the least helpful, most uninformed suggestions we have seen while ducking the issue of validated consumer choice.

Additionally, and for the record, the TPWG did not respond to any of the vital public policy matters raised in Turn's (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0012.html) and others' comments.  The TPE is anti-competitive, anti-privacy, unfair, and deceptive.  All of those concerns still stand, were left unaddressed, and are NOT FIXED.

Respectfully,

Max

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From: Nick Doty [mailto:npdoty@w3.org] 
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Subject: TPE Last Call comments, re: validation of user signals (issue-260)

Hi Jack, Rachel, Alan, Peter, Brooks, Chris, David, Max, Tim, Mike, Ari, Vivek and Nadine,

Thank you for your comments (last June) on the TPE Last Call Working Draft. The Tracking Protection Working Group has discussed each of the issues and proposed resolutions. This email in particular describes discussion and proposed resolution regarding validation of DNT signals.

Editor Roy Fielding has provided a detailed response to different comments related to this issue in email; I have provided the link below. I would briefly summarize the resolution as:
* testing and other means can help to validate signals but specification cannot provide additional proof

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2014Dec/0020.html
https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/260

Please let us know if these changes or explanations resolve your concerns.

Thanks,
Nick Doty, W3C (for the Tracking Protection Working Group)

Re:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0001.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0003.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0005.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0007.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0009.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0010.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0011.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0012.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0014.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0015.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0016.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0019.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking-comments/2014Jun/0020.html
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