Re: Scrolling as overlap avoidance (Re: Alternative approach to scrolling, with demos)

It's the latter one: only the background behind the text is coloured.
Silvia.


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Christian Vogler
<christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote:
> Thanks. It would be good to get definite answers on these things, because I
> suspect that this ultimately will determine what consumers think about the
> impact of the rendering simplification proposals.
>
> Christian
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2014 09:08, "Christian Vogler" <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hmm, ok, I see a potential problem with the use case under point #10 in
>> > http://www.dcmp.org/captioningkey/text.html - for the purpose of showing as
>> > much image as possible, you want the background width to be no larger than
>> > the actual text width + padding. That is what is shown in this image (and
>> > also in #9). But if you scale the font, you eventually need to wrap around
>> > when the left/right cues grow too close to each other.
>> >
>> > That leaves two options:
>> >
>> > 1. explicitly specify cue width, and have the background extend all the
>> > way across the width. That covers more image than you should, and also
>> > doesn't look very pleasing aesthetically if you have a large
>> > black/translucent bar with no text in it.
>> >
>> > 2. force some kind of maximum width, after which you wrap around - but
>> > the cue width can be smaller than the max depending on font metrics. And the
>> > background extends only across the real cue width.
>> >
>> > I'm not yet fully up to speed - does WebVTT cover #2? Or are there
>> > alternatives that could give the desired behavior?
>>
>> Yes, vtt does #2.
>>
>> These are two cues: one under each speaker. Since you don't want them to
>> run into each other, you specify the size (I.e. width) of the cue that they
>> go into. That provides the display that #10 shows. Then you increase the
>> font size. When the text gets bigger than the cue width, it wraps.
>>
>> > Christian
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>> > <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Christian Vogler
>> >> <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>> >> > Just checking here, what does this mean for text background? Say, you
>> >> > have
>> >> > white text on black background - will the black extend only to the
>> >> > width of
>> >> > the actual text plus padding?
>> >>
>> >> In the non-region case:
>> >>
>> >> If you explicitly specify the width of your cue and the text is much
>> >> smaller than the width, the background will still cover the fully
>> >> specified width.
>>
>> Actually, I might have been wrong on this. I'd have to check (on a train
>> now). The cue box has the size as width, but I think background may still
>> only be rendered on the actual text. Let me get back to you on this.
>>
>> Silvia.
>>
>> >> If you do not specify a width, then the cue with is determined
>> >> automatically based on the text width and the background will only be
>> >> on the width of the text.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In the region case:
>> >>
>> >> The non-region case background on ::cue still applies.
>> >>
>> >> However, there is now also a region box whose size is explicitly
>> >> determined (width/height). You can set a background color on that box
>> >> with ::cue-region . That background covers the full width of the
>> >> region no matter the width of the cues or cue text inside.
>> >> As for the height: in the case of scrolling regions, the height is
>> >> dynamic and depends on the number of lines that are being rendered.
>> >> For non-scrolling regions the height is fixed, so a non-scrolling
>> >> region without cues inside with a red background will be a red
>> >> rectangle on screen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hope that clarifies it?
>> >>
>> >> Silvia.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Christian Vogler, PhD
>> > Director, Technology Access Program
>> > Department of Communication Studies
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> --
> Christian Vogler, PhD
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> Department of Communication Studies
> SLCC 1116
> Gallaudet University
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