- From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:54:03 -0700
- To: Christian Vogler <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu>
- Cc: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>, "public-texttracks@w3.org" <public-texttracks@w3.org>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, Silvia Pfieffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Message-ID: <CAHu5OWa_OZ1TeMu4bJ3AnvG2nrV0Ja_hk1wuhP1S_==20sR6tg@mail.gmail.com>
This is a good point. The background would extend across the entire width. Philip, supporting auto as a cue width would address this. Is that a possibility? On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Christian Vogler < christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote: > Just checking here, what does this mean for text background? Say, you have > white text on black background - will the black extend only to the width of > the actual text plus padding? > > Christian > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>wrote: > >> The auto width was discussed for regions, for a single cue I think one >> should simply make the cue box as big as it can be. That is in fact >> the default size, 100%. >> >> Philip >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Loretta Guarino Reid >> <lorettaguarino@google.com> wrote: >> > Yes, an option for "auto" width would allow this. Philip and Silvia, is >> that >> > still on the table? >> > >> > >> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Christian Vogler >> > <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >> For this kind of situation, line wrapping should be considered only as >> a >> >> method of last resort. If possible, growing the cue to the left, >> right, or >> >> both, would in most cases be preferable. Especially if a line wrap >> breaks up >> >> a single word. >> >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse any touchscreen-induced >> >> weirdness. >> >> >> >> On May 8, 2014 10:09 AM, "Philip Jägenstedt" <philipj@opera.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for digging that up, Loretta! >> >>> >> >>> In this example, there are single cues which are positioned, not >> >>> groups of cues, so I don't think regions should be required to achieve >> >>> the same result. >> >>> >> >>> With pre-regions WebVTT this could be reproduced by using the align >> >>> setting and a suitably positioned cue box, it seems. >> >>> >> >>> Note that lineAlign:bottom only controls the alignment of the first >> >>> line, so if a cue wraps then lineAlign can't be used to provide an >> >>> anchor point for the cue as a whole, in particular you couldn't use it >> >>> to avoid overlapping text just below the cue. >> >>> >> >>> I'm guessing that for speaking identification you'll place the cue >> >>> either above or below the speaker. Would a way to control the >> >>> direction in which the cue grows when the font size increases or lines >> >>> wraps be sufficient? >> >>> >> >>> Philip >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Loretta Guarino Reid >> >>> <lorettaguarino@google.com> wrote: >> >>> > (Still trying to find non-pay examples of interesting placement...) >> >>> > >> >>> > Here is one, although the visual motivation for this particular >> >>> > placement >> >>> > isn't clear: >> >>> > >> >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1PO6zH60c#t=1m53s >> >>> > >> >>> > The positioned captions occur at 2:09 >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Philip Jägenstedt < >> philipj@opera.com> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> [I accidentally sent this reply off-list two days ago.] >> >>> >> >> >>> >> In the CPC demo, simple left and right alignment is used to follow >> the >> >>> >> speaker: >> >>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqPe-IceP4 >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Do you have an example where something more fancy than this is >> used? >> >>> >> Note that just by using the position, size and align setting you >> can >> >>> >> do fancier things, but an example would help determine if that's >> >>> >> enough or not. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Christian Vogler >> >>> >> <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote: >> >>> >> > To me, positioning for speaker identification makes the most >> sense >> >>> >> > in >> >>> >> > terms >> >>> >> > of the anchor point - this point is the target for each speaker. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > Christian >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> >> >>> >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 5:00 , Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> (2) the background color on the width and height of the >> rollup >> >>> >> >> >> area >> >>> >> >> >> needs to be changeable >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > Why? As I noted in the "background box tweaking" thread that's >> >>> >> >> > still >> >>> >> >> > possible with the sum of my suggestions, but I don't >> understand >> >>> >> >> > what >> >>> >> >> > the use case is. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> (4) move all the cues in the region as a group to another >> >>> >> >> >> location >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > This is also not handled by the current spec. I don't think it >> >>> >> >> > makes >> >>> >> >> > sense either, why not just end the cues and repeat them in a >> new >> >>> >> >> > position? >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I agree for these that if you want something ‘similar’ to >> appear as >> >>> >> >> what’s >> >>> >> >> already there, the clean thing to do is to re-draw it. Same >> >>> >> >> content >> >>> >> >> but in >> >>> >> >> a different region (with different position or colors), and so >> on. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> >> (3) font size changes on the region need to make the region >> go >> >>> >> >> >> bigger >> >>> >> >> >> centered out from the anchor point >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > That's not handled by the current spec. We've talked about >> using >> >>> >> >> > font-relative units but that hasn't happened. I'd love to >> >>> >> >> > understand >> >>> >> >> > the use case for this though. Do you have an example video >> frame >> >>> >> >> > where >> >>> >> >> > scaling around an anchor point is necessary as opposed to >> mode of >> >>> >> >> > scaling that happens with classical WebVTT? >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I also am curious >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> David Singer >> >>> >> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > -- >> >>> >> > Christian Vogler, PhD >> >>> >> > Director, Technology Access Program >> >>> >> > Department of Communication Studies >> >>> >> > SLCC 1116 >> >>> >> > Gallaudet University >> >>> >> > http://tap.gallaudet.edu/ >> >>> >> > VP: 202-250-2795 >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Christian Vogler, PhD > Director, Technology Access Program > Department of Communication Studies > SLCC 1116 > Gallaudet University > http://tap.gallaudet.edu/ > VP: 202-250-2795 >
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