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Re: Roll-up captions in WebVTT

From: Shane Feldman <shane.feldman@nad.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:50:34 -0500
Message-ID: <CAAxSGs0k48o440u8LE9q1bsVZ84hoEbnQ1eEVyhhh=+uPG8ZoA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, public-texttracks@w3.org
I am unable to view the roll-up captions on this video. I'm using a Mac and
tried to view it on Firefox and Chrome without success. One time it said
"pop-on captions failed to load".

Shane


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer
<silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
> >>
> >> BTW: in case you don't understand what I am trying to achieve here, try
> >> out this video on YouTube and select the caption track "English -
> >> rollup" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xTURXWoJ6A
> >
> > That's like ten times more annoying to read than the normal captions on
> > that video. I think if we are to support roll-up captions we need a far
> > more convincing use case.
>
> The fact is that roll-up captions are a standard means in which TV
> captions have been provided in the past and that publishers want these
> replicated in exactly the same way on the Web. This is why YouTube had
> to develop this feature, too. Since we are making WebVTT a universal
> format in which all existing captioning from TV can be represented on
> the Web, too, we have to support this case.
>
> Captions are a legal part of a video - if you want to present a video
> on the Web identically to how it has been authored, we need this
> support, otherwise it's not the same artistic object and sites run
> into copyright issues. It doesn't matter if what is presented is
> aesthetically more pleasing than an alternative presentation - we
> don't change the content of a movie for display on the Web either just
> because we don't think a part of it is not aesthetically pleasing.
>
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
>
>
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