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[Minutes] 15 Mar 2004 TAG teleconf (Qname-18, I18N issues, LC organization)

From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:03:33 -0500
To: www-tag@w3.org
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Hello,

Minutes of the TAG's 15 March teleconference are
available as HTML [1] and as text below.

 _ Ian

[1] http://www.w3.org/2004/03/15-tag-summary.html

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                  Minutes of 15 March 2004 TAG teleconference

1. Administrative (20min)

    1. Roll call: RF, TBL (Scribe), NW, PC, SW, CL, MJ, DC. Regrets: IJ
    2. The TAG did not yet accept the minutes of the [7]2 Mar ftf meeting
       (TAG participants have not yet reviewed).
    3. Accepted this [8]agenda
    4. Resolved next meeting: 22 March. No regrets indicated.
    5. FTF meeting in April or May (c.f [9]online form)?
       Resolved to meet in BOS 12-14 May, subject to consultation with
       IJ. All agreed except RF who abstained.

      [7] http://www.w3.org/2004/03/02-tag-summary.html
      [8] http://www.w3.org/2004/03/15-tag.html
      [9] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/tagftfmay2004/

  1.1 Tim Bray resigning from TAG

   Tim Bray joined the beginning of the meeting and announced that he is
   resigning from the TAG due to [10]W3C Process constraints on the
   number of participants from the same Member. The TAG resolved
   unanimously to thank Tim Bray for his contributions.

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/organization.html#AB-TAG-constraints

2. Technical (70min)

   See also [11]open actions by owner and [12]open issues.

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html
     [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1

  2.1 Formal approval of Qname finding

     * [13]qnameAsId-18
          + 14 Jan 2004 draft finding "[14]Using Qualified Names (QNames)
            as Identifiers in Content"

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#qnameAsId-18
     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/qnameids-2004-01-14

   At the ftf meeting we did not formally approve NW's finding. Proposed
   to publish the 14 Jan draft as an approved finding using the usual
   mechanisms.

   Stuart: QnameAsId finding - wee have approved this as a finding, but
   we have not resolved to publish it as a note. I propose we approve it
   as a finding and leave any question as to publishing on the TR page to
   another time.

   Chris: seconded.

   timbl: RESOLVED: we approve it as a finding

   timbl: ACTION NW: Publish [15]Using Qualified Names (QNames) as
   Identifiers in Content as an approved TAG finding.

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/qnameids-2004-01-14

  2.2 Internationalization Issues

    2.2.1 TAG review of "Character Model for the World Wide Web 1.0:
    Fundamentals"

   See [16]25 Feb 2004 WD of Charmod Fundamentals
     * [17]Review by Tim Bray (and following thread)
     * Relation to [18]charmodReview-17?
         1. [19]actions
         2. TAG finding related to adoption of Charmod? See [20]mail from
            TBL

     [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-charmod-20040225/
     [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Mar/0007.html
     [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#charmodReview-17
     [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions.html#charmodReview-17
     [20] http://www.w3.org/mid/361483C6-96E6-11D7-9C47-000393914268@w3.org

   timbl: Chris took on the task of reviewing the Charmod spec; see
   [21]email from CL.

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Mar/0041.html

   Chris: I am part way through. We should ask for a week's extention.

   Stuart: I'll ask for a 2 week extension.

   DanC_: (I owe a review too. sorry, I'm running late)

   Chris: I have found one new issue -- mailed just before this meeting
   started.

   timbl: ACTION Stuart: Negotiate an extension of ideally 2 weeks with
   I18N WG for the review of CharMod.

   Chris: (the new issue - On the other hand, I worry that this might
   encourage people to encode pi or symbol fonts on the ascii range,
   which is worse than using the PUA! The spec could explicitly discuss
   this case.

    2.2.2 Status report regarding TAG's URI/IRI issues

     * [22]URIEquivalence-15
     * [23]IRIEverywhere-27

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#URIEquivalence-15
     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#IRIEverwhere-27

   Stuart: In the meeting that Chris and I attended, we asked Martin to
   report back on their publishing schedules for the IRI draft.

   Chris: I had thought that they are in RFC queue - but RFC2396 bis is
   not in last call yet.

   Roy: RFC2396 bis is still in WG not yet LC or RFC.

   DanC_: (RFC2396bis last call will be 4 weeks, rather than 2, since
   there's no WG. I think.)

   timbl: ... The IRI draft could go to RFC with a prointer to the RFC
   stage with normative reference to 2496bis, with instructions to the
   RFC editor top update teh pointer iff the RFC2396bis spec coems
   though.

   DanC_: hmm... IRI is in the IETF standards process? I despair of being
   able to track this stuff.

   Timbl Notes that that is an interesting procedure.

   Roy: It wouldn't become an RFC spec until the normative refs all
   become RFCs.

   Chris: please note my charmod review-in-progress also halt at
   precisely the IRI issue

   Zakim: Chris, you wanted to talk about IRI and to say what I said in
   email

   DanC: This may delay the arch doc past the end of the year, (which was
   the subject of a bet and a dinner!)

   Chris: Many specs have IRIs in already.

   DanC: The fundamentals issue should be of stuff which is not at risk.

   DanC_: I'm surprised. hmm... gotta study further to see if I find it
   OK.

   Chris: 7 Character Encoding in URI References

   Chris: IRI also normative in XMLNamespace 1.1 for example

   Stuart: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/webarchWithIssues.html

   Chris: the stuff in section 7 is already widely deployed. eg IE6 (5,
   4) and Google use this all the time

  2.3 Update on namespaceDocument-8

     * [24]namespaceDocument-8
         1. Review finding outline from PC
         2. Agree to next steps w.r.t. RDDL Note and Finding.

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#namespaceDocument-8

   IJ believes that namespaceDocument-8 was not discussed.

  2.4 Web Architecture Document Last Call

   Resources:
    1. [25]Last Call issues list ([26]sorted by section)
    2. [27]Annotated version of WebArch
    3. Archive of [28]public-webarch-comments
    4. [29]List of actions by TAG participant
    5. Additional actions
         1. Action IJ 2004/02/09: Incorporate editorial suggestions (see
            minutes of that meeting for details).

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/issues.html
     [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/concerning.html
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/webarchWithIssues.html
     [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/actions_owner.html

   timbl: Stuart: I would like people to take on these clusters of
   comments; see issues list [30]sorted by section.

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/concerning.html

   timbl: DanC: We just pasted the comments into the relevant parts of
   the spec. Ian did the difficult bit of linking the issue to the
   anchor.

   timbl:
   http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031209/#identifiers-comparison

   timbl: DanC: It would be nice to be able to group these if they are
   one comment. I have not found a lot of inspiration as to what to do
   next.

   timbl: Chris: I volunteer to look at 4 Data Formats

   DanC_: yes, timbl, do look at RFC2396bis

   * Norm apologizes. Must leave at 16:00 (in 12 min)

   * DanC_ is working on a view with editorial stuff in a different
   color...

   * mario would be happy to volunteer for section 4 also if Chris does
   not mind

   Actions (due 25 March?) to review sections:
     * TBL: I volunteer 2 hours starting at start of section 2
     * Roy: I volunteer to look at section 2
     * Norm: I volunteer for section 3
     * Stuart: I volunteer starting at section 2.3
     * Mario: I will look at section 4

   Norm gives his excuses and leaves the meeting.

    Issue pps1: Ownership and authority

   [31]Issue pps1, concerning sections 2.2 and 3.4

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/lc1209/issues.html#pps1

   Chris: ok so he is saying that the weather page does not own the
   weather.to which we say, correct, but they own their report on the
   weather. It seems easy to answer - he is just confused between the
   weather and the report

   SW: We talk about URIs being owned, and resources, and making an
   assigtnment.

   timbl: ... we talk about authority and ownership and we are not very
   clear with respect to URIs or resources

   Zakim: Chris, you wanted to say that

   Zakim: DanC_, you wanted to say well, we gave it a try, but maybe this
   isn't good use of our time after all... I'm ok to adjourn, despite my
   bet with PaulC

   Chris: 'ownership' also needs to discuss syndication, and syndicated
   data as (part of) a resource

   I suggest the only way to make this clearer would be a formal
   description.

   Stuart: We will be addressing web arch last call comments. I will need
   input for next week's agenda.

   Stuart will review the agenda of next week on Thursday.

   TimBL: Doesn't work for me.

   Chris: ok, but we can do tims bit the week after

   DanC_: FYI: W3C/MIT moves office Wed 24Mar. LOOK OUT!

   timbl: Tim'ls action item for 10 day's time.

     _________________________________________________________________

   The TAG did not discuss issues below this line.

  1.1 Review of open action items related to issues

   The TAG expects to review the list of [32]open actions by owner and to
   close any that are obvious to close. TAG participants are encouraged
   to review this list before the meeting, as well as other action items
   listed in this agenda.

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html

3. Status report on these findings

   See also [33]TAG findings
     * [34]abstractComponentRefs-37:
          + 30 Oct 2003 draft finding "[35]Abstract Component References"
     * [36]contentPresentation-26:
          + 30 June 2003 draft finding "[37]Separation of semantic and
            presentational markup, to the extent possible, is
            architecturally sound"
     * [38]metadataInURI-31
     * [39]siteData-36
          + "[40]There is no such thing as a Web site"

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/abstractComponentRefs-20031030
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26-20030630.html
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#siteData-36
     [40] http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/01/08/WebSite36

4. Other action items

     * Action PC/IJ: Proposed revised [41]TAG charter
     * Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.
     * Action DC 2003/11/15: Follow up on KeepPOSTRecords with Janet Daly
       on how to raise awareness of this point (which is in CUAP).
     * Action CL 2003/10/27: Draft XML mime type thingy with Murata-san

     [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/07/19-tag

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    Ian Jacobs for Stuart Williams and TimBL
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