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RE: Contacts API draft

From: EDUARDO FULLEA CARRERA <efc@tid.es>
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:19:17 +0000
To: "Dumez, Christophe" <christophe.dumez@intel.com>
Cc: "public-sysapps@w3.org" <public-sysapps@w3.org>, Wayne Carr <wayne.carr@intel.com>, Sakari Poussa <sakari.poussa@intel.com>, JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA <jmcf@tid.es>, "Jonas Sicking (jonas@sicking.cc)" <jonas@sicking.cc>
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De: Dumez, Christophe [mailto:christophe.dumez@intel.com]
Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2012 10:46
Para: EDUARDO FULLEA CARRERA
CC: public-sysapps@w3.org; Wayne Carr; Sakari Poussa; JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA
Asunto: Re: Contacts API draft

Hi Eduardo,

Thanks for taking a look and highlighting the differences.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:03 AM, EDUARDO FULLEA CARRERA <efc@tid.es<mailto:efc@tid.es>> wrote:
Hi Christophe, all,

I have been comparing the two proposals on the table for Contacts API, and they happen to have more similarities than differences what is good news in order to reach a consolidated proposal. Let me comment on the main differences:

-Filtering: Intel's proposal allows applying virtually any type of filter as it allows the definition of composite filters. Note though that in order to have an appropriate performance the runtime will need to define indexes for the different filtering operations. Having so flexible filtering implies creating a virtually unlimited set of indexes. Christophe, what is the performance you expect the implementation to have? and how do you propose to solve that issue?

Well, it is a good idea for the backend to define indexes to make the common filtering operations faster. I fail to see the relation between having a flexible filtering system and creating a virtually unlimited set of indexes.
In my opinion, just because the backend cannot optimize for all possible queries does not mean that we should restrict which queries are supported by the API.

If you consider SQL, you can query pretty much anything even if some of these queries may be slow. All we can do is define indexes in the database to optimize the most frequent/common queries.
I think the same thing applies here. The addressbook is basically a layer on top of the database and the filtering system is merely a layer on top of whatever query language is being used by the backend (e.g. SQL).

Also note that if we don't provide flexible filtering then this means that the app will likely need to do post-filtering by itself on JavaScript side. I believe that even if the native backend is not optimized for all queries, those are still going to be faster compared to the alternative (post-filtering on JS side).

I tend to think that so flexible filters is somehow an overkill and would rather keep it a bit simpler. But it may be good to hear some other opinions in the group.

-ContactChangeEvent: Intel's proposal allows notifying changes in multiple contacts simultaneously indicating which contacts have been deleted, created and modified. Is the system expected to wait for some time before firing an event with multiple changes or do these notifications of multiple changes apply just to really simultaneous changes (e.g. sync with an external address book).

We were thinking about database transactions in the backend. For those, I think it is a good idea to return all the changes in the same event, this is better for performance that firing one event per change.
The idea is also to have a generic ContactChange event which handles all possible Addressbook changes in one object.

It forces the developer to consider the case of batch changes even most of the changes will be simple ones, but it is true that it helps to deal with backend batch changes.

-getSimContacts(): Our proposal included this method to be able to retrieve the contacts from the SIM card (e.g. to copy them to the device address book). It is not the intention to deal in any other way with the SIM's address book, so neither the rest of the methods (find, remove, etc) nor the ContactChangeEvent apply in principle to SIM contacts.

We removed this method because it seemed too specific. The device may not have a SIM card and I did not understand why we needed to handle SIM contacts any differently at API level.
I don't have strong feeling about this one but I thought that the Contact.readonly flag would allow us to achieve the same thing (Contacts can be retrieved from SIM using find() but cannot be removed or saved because they are marked as 'readOnly').

Our proposal considers there is a single contacts repository to use be used in practice (the device contact list), and that is why interactions with SIM contacts are limited to a one-time import. It is easier to manage a single contact list than dealing with more than one, specially if they have different data models, like the SIM contacts.

-read-only contacts in Intel's proposal: Christophe, could you elaborate what is the use case for that?

In some cases, the backend is not able to edit specific contacts. It can be useful for SIM contacts for example. In case we are only able to read those, not edit them.
It can also be useful for contacts coming from online services which may not support editing.

Yes, I agree it may be useful for contacts from online services.


-Additional fields in Intel's proposal: relationship, phoneticGivenName; phoneticFamilyName; favorite; ringtone

Yes, we introduced those attributes because we had them in Tizen and they are common vCard extensions. They also have practical use cases for the AddressBook application.

Does relationship map with 'RELATED' field in vCard 4.0? The other seem not to map to any vCard field, right? I have no strong view about them though.

-Additional fields in our proposal: genderIdentity; carrier attribute in tel field

Yes,
- GenderIdentity is part of vCard 4.0 but we could not find much use for it (we already have "gender" attribute).
I can imagine some minorities may find it useful though

- carrier is not part of the vCard standard AFAIK and seemed very specific. we were not sure this should be part of the standard API. The application could easily handle this by itself if needed.
It may be extremely useful info for users if for example call rates depend on the contact's carrier.

Any other relevant difference that I am missing?

A few:
- We did not use abbreviations in the attribute names because it decreases readability. I know that yours match what is in vCard format but I don't think readability is an important issue for vCards since they are processed programmatically. For example, the abbreviation "adr" for an "address" is not very good in my opinion.

Someone developing a contacts application will be definitely familiar with vCard format. Keeping consistency may be better for developers' live than trying to improve readability.
See http://microformats.org/wiki/minimal-vocabulary#preserve_literal_vocabulary_when_reusing_meaning

- We changed the types of some attributes. We did not use array types for name attributes (other than nickname). I know the vCard format supports this but I don't know how useful it is and it makes the API a bit more convenient to use.

It may be useful with regards to other fields other than nickname (e.g. in some cultures having more than one family name of given name)

- We use a partial interface for the Navigator extension as advised by [1].

Fine with it.


[1] http://darobin.github.com/api-design-cookbook/

Kr,
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Christophe Dumez
Linux Software Engineer, PhD
Intel Finland Oy - Open Source Technology Center

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