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RE: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web" comments... would like more time

From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) <skw@hp.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:11:01 +0000
To: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>, Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
CC: Susie M Stephens <STEPHENS_SUSIE_M@LILLY.COM>, "public-sweo-ig@w3.org" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, Norman Walsh <Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM>, "tag@w3.org" <tag@w3.org>
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Hello Leo, Richard,

Following our telcon meeting yesterday TimBL and DanC did more work to clarify their rendering of the diagram originally discussed around [1,2].

They have produced the following which I hope will 'unblock' whatever is causing us a problem wrt to item #2 in the threaded discussion below.

    http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.png<http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.png>
    http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.graffle

Note: i don't thing this diagram visually distinguishes between URIs and resources, a distinction which I think is useful and was apparent in the whiteboard diagram/photo at [2].

Would you find it useful to come to a TAG telcon to talk through a bit how we (well... you)  finalise this document? I have regrets from TimBL to TAG telcons through to and including 13th March, so we'd either have to make progress in his absense or wait until he was available. DanC is on the hook to scribe our meeting on 21st Feb... so that would be a possibility - or we will all be meeting F2F in Vancouver 26-28th Feb and we could try to have you join us by phone if that would work.

In terms of closing our outstanding comments - seeing finalised diagrams alongside the accompanying narrative is important to us. We would like to review the document in as near final form as possible. FWIW that also means resolving (or removing) the dangling todo's particularly if they are going to add text to the document.

Lastly, we ran out of time on our call before I could establish where the rest of the TAG were satisfied by the changes that you had made on section 3.1

I hope that all makes sense. Basically,
- we'd be happy to invite you to a segment of one of our meetings in order to get he interaction bandwidth up - please let me know if you would like to do that;
- we'd like to review the document in as near final form (in particular in thr form in which if we say 'good-to-go' from our POV then it is published exactly as is at that point - modulo boilerplate/status changes). If that is the state that you believe that you are already in, please let us know.

BR

Stuart
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From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
Sent: 14 February 2008 12:25
To: 'Leo Sauermann'
Cc: Susie M Stephens; public-sweo-ig@w3.org; Dan Connolly; Richard Cyganiak; Danny Ayers; Norman Walsh
Subject: RE: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web" comments... would like more time

Hello Leo,

Sorry, I/we misunderstood the intent of the @@'s as signalling places in the document that you intended to do more work on (a common use for @@'s) rather than as marking places where you needed to confirm resolutions.

We'll take a look and try to get back to you ASAP (within a couple of days I hope).

In respect of the 3 points below:

On 1: Yes I think we've agreed to respect the decision you've made.

On 2: This relates to a diagram. I believe that TAG members *will* regard it as crucial that you present for review the diagram that you intend to publish. The diagram was a source of *significant* discussion in the TAG F2F meeting that gave rise to our feedback - so I don't think that TAG would sign-off on the revisions without sight of the replacement diagram

On 3: I have read the paragraphs in section 3.1 and they look fine to me (personnally)... however, I (or another TAG member) will report on whether the TAG concur.

Wrt the TODOs at the end of the document - I believe that there is TAG interested in the disposition of those items (particularly 2nd-4th items), and currently no indication of how they will be resolved in the document.

We will be discusssing this on 14th Feb.

Best regards,

Stuart
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From: Leo Sauermann [mailto:leo.sauermann@dfki.de]
Sent: 13 February 2008 15:35
To: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
Cc: Susie M Stephens; public-sweo-ig@w3.org; Dan Connolly; Richard Cyganiak; Danny Ayers
Subject: Re: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web" comments... would like more time

Hi Stuart,

we reviewed the document and left in many @@ to show that we have worked on these sections, also including comments such as
"@@ The next paragraphs address a recommendation by TAG to weaken our "err on the side of caution" recommendation by explaning the problem better. TAG members may verify if their recommendation was met by our explanation."

So, looking at  [2] I would say
(1) we both agreed that this was not crucial and we decided not to do it becuase of readability
(2) this is still outstanding but not crucial
(3) has been addressed, we would like to hear your opinion about the changed text

for (3) ("err on the side of caution") we added a reference to the AWWW.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-cooluris-20071217/#distinguishing

I would humbly ask, to speed up the process we have (facing the end of SWEO) to skim through the document and read the @@ comments to check if you agree wiht the decisions we made regarding your prior comments.

Once you agree to the @@, we can safely remove them, some of them are intentionally left in to allow you to read our discussion and answers to suggested changes.

best
Leo

It was Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) who said at the right time 25.01.2008 17:00 the following words:

Susie, Leo,

Norm Walsh has taken a review pass over the recent changes to the "Cool URIs..." document checking the changes against comments which he raised in [1]. He's posted his comments on www-tag@w3.org<mailto:www-tag@w3.org> at [2].

Norm notes 3 comments that do not appear to have been accepted or adopted. He indicates:
- satisfaction that the group has considered the first;
- a lack of clarity about the disposition of the second;
- and no apparent change on the third.

Norm also notes a number of @@ and editorial comments that have yet to be resolved and are indicative of at least one more editorial cycle.

Accordingly, we would be happy to review the entire document again once the editors have resolved the remaining issues that they indicate as outstanding.

Best regards

Stuart Williams
for W3C TAG
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[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Jan/0067

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From: Susie M Stephens [mailto:STEPHENS_SUSIE_M@LILLY.COM]
Sent: 18 January 2008 16:13
To: Dan Connolly
Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org<mailto:public-sweo-ig@w3.org>; public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org<mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org>;
Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
Subject: Re: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
comments... would like more time

Hi Dan,

It would clearly be good if you could get all comments to us
by Jan 21.
However, we very much value input from the TAG, so we can be
somewhat flexible.

SWEO is currently chartered to finish at the end of January,
but if absolutely necessary we could explore extending the
group by a month.

Cheers,

Susie








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In today's TAG teleconference, we took note of the recent draft
  http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-cooluris-20071217/

As our comments on earlier drafts go back as far Sep 2007
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Sep/0091
it's taking us some time to swap them back in to check they
way they were addressed in your 17 Dec draft.

Regarding...
"comments should possibly be sent until 21 January 2008."
... we're not likely to meet that deadline. We expect to get
some of our double-check done by 24 Jan, but some of it may
take a little longer. I hope you can stand by.

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