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Re: need editing help on the cool URI document

From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:51:52 +0100
Message-ID: <474F1858.8000405@dfki.de>
To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
CC: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C SWEO IG <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>, Max Völkel <voelkel@fzi.de>

Richard,

could you fix the graphics & commit the sources of the graphics to SVN?
(I fixed the acme.com -> example.com in the text already)

Once this is done, we can do what Ivan suggested: move the last open 
issues into the document as
@@@ Editor's note: this is open issues @@@ and then publish the document 
as WG draft in the SWEO space.

I mentioned "non-information resource" in the text, but you are right, 
the term was born in engineering's hell.
(look at latest draft, especially this section:
http://gnowsis.opendfki.de/repos/gnowsis/papers/2006_11_concepturi/html/cooluris_sweo_note.html#distinguishing
)

BUT - exactly THIS problem was the itch that I had the last four years, 
which I called "uri crisis", and is the thing that made me want to write 
the document in the first place, so no wonder that we have to scratch it 
a bit longer... :-/

best
Leo

It was Richard Cyganiak who said at the right time 29.11.2007 14:27 the 
following words:
>
> Ivan,
>
> On 29 Nov 2007, at 12:22, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>> The terms we currently use, "thing"/"other resource" and "web document"
>>> are appropriate, sufficiently well-explained and correct. The
>>> terminology has support from key TAG members, including TimBL. I don't
>>> think that anything needs to be changed with regard to these terms.
>>>
>>
>> Even if you choose to keep it that way, a note relating these terms to
>> the current terms used in http-14 is useful. It can be a note in the
>> appendix, but let us not pretend those terms are not in use (regardless
>> of their value, whether people like them or not...)
>
> Yes, this is already done. The relation between "web document" and 
> "information resource" is explained in the main text.
>
> The term "non-information resource" does not occur in any W3C 
> publication and should simply be forgotten.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I.
>>
>>>> For this, I would ask TAG or SWD for help:
>>>>    • example rules of thumb how to distinguish between document
>>>> identifiers and concept identifiers (information and non-information
>>>> resources). Write some wget examples that do that? Leo thinks we did
>>>> not cover the crucial point yet: what is the definitive test to get a
>>>> URI for a non-information resource? Range-14 says: "If an "http"
>>>> resource responds to a GET request with a 303 (See Other) response,
>>>> then the resource identified by that URI could be any resource;" Or is
>>>> this such a problem at all? At the end the RDF:Type says what is what.
>>>> I would put that into the 4.6. implementation section.
>>>
>>> I think this has been answered exhaustively in TAG list discussions:
>>> HTTP status codes can only distinguish between two kinds of URIs, "URIs
>>> identifying a web document" and "URIs identifying something that may be
>>> described inside a web document". Note that documents can describe 
>>> other
>>> documents, hence documents can be identified by URIs in both 
>>> categories.
>>> The question you are asking is not answerable (and not that 
>>> interesting)
>>> in web architecture.
>>>
>>> Do you think the draft needs clarification in this regard?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>> Leo
>>>> -- 
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>
>
>
>


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Geschaeftsfuehrung:
Prof.Dr.Dr.h.c.mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender)
Dr. Walter Olthoff
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats:
Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
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