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RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]

From: Paul Walsh, Segala <paulwalsh@segala.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:40:52 -0000
To: <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20070316174054.22626F05B214@postie1.hosting365.ie>

Sam will be joining the SWEO too - just need Ivan and Susie to do the
necessary.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
On
> Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
> Sent: 16 March 2007 17:23
> To: public-sweo-ig@w3.org
> Cc: 'W3C SWEO IG'
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
> 
> 
> Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
> > I've managed to turn Sam Sethi from www.vecosys.com around. He no longer
> believes Microformats is the way forward in the long term (for anything
other than
> what they're ok at addressing). He spent an entire weekend with his head
in a RDF
> book and now wants to promote the Semantic Web.
> >
> > That's just one person but I'm talking regularly to people who are
equally influential
> and who wish to learn more.
> >
> Paul,
> 
> Great!
> 
> May the march towards the global epiphany commence :-)
> 
> I am assuming O'Reilly's RDF Book by Shelly Powers did the trick then?
> 
> 
> Kingsley
> > Cheers
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Jeff Pollock
> >> Sent: 16 March 2007 15:37
> >> To: 'Ivan Herman'
> >> Cc: 'W3C SWEO IG'
> >> Subject: RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
> >>
> >>
> >> Ivan-
> >>
> >> Audience reaction was mixed. Some of the Web 2.0 advocates were
rightfully
> >> defending the utility of tag library implementations at del.icio.us and
amazon.com
> et
> >> al. It took some explanation to communicate the idea that these tag
libraries,
> >> community developed or not, do nothing to aid data interop at a machine
level. In
> the
> >> end, we all agreed that there are different use cases for Web 2.0 and
Semantic Web
> >> (but I did make the point that semweb languages could subsume the
existing
> >> approaches to Web 2.0 implementation). Another part of the audience
still had
> trouble
> >> with the notion of inference. Word on the street about "ontology" is
just that they
> are
> >> for classifying, as if all it is, is a way of defining buckets, that
you would then tag
> >> things with. Lost to the Web 2.0 masses is the distinction between a
"told"
> ontology
> >> vs. an "inferred" ontology (eg: materialized graphs)...we spent some
time with
> >> examples of these.
> >>
> >> The controversy IMHO is manufactured, but useful to turn out crowds of
web
> >> developers.  But I guess it is sort of like talking to HTML coders
about UML back in
> >> 1997.  (there's only so far you can go with it)
> >>
> >> Best, -Jeff-
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:50 AM
> >> To: Jeff Pollock
> >> Cc: W3C SWEO IG
> >> Subject: Re: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
> >>
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Thanks for these slides Jeff. What was the reaction in the audience,
b.t.w.?
> >>
> >> Actually... what you say is interesting at one point: "The organizers
> >> intent was to drive some controversy in the audience". I feel like
> >> public figures being manipulated by journalists. Of course, it is good
> >> for the organizers if there is controversy, that is their bread and
> >> butter, but it is manipulation nevertheless...
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Ivan
> >>
> >> Ivan Herman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jeff's original attachment was too large for the mailing list, so I
> >>> added the file to our web site on the following URI:
> >>>
> >>>
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/2007/Pollock.SDForum.Ontology-vs-
> >>>
> >> Folksonomy.small.ppt
> >>
> >>> Ivan
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: 	[Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] SDForum Ontology
vs.
> >>> Folksonomy
> >>> Date: 	Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:13:51 +0000
> >>> From: 	Jeff Pollock <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >>> Reply-To: 	<jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >>> Organization: 	Oracle
> >>> To: 	<semantic-tech_us@oracle.com>, "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-
> ig@w3.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oracle SemTech and W3C SWEO-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I gave a short panel talk in Palo Alto last night on the topic of
> >>> SOntology vs. Folksonomy, Tortoise and the Hare.‚¨  The organizers
intent
> >>> was to drive some controversy in the audience and I took the
opportunity
> >>> to try and accomplish some Myth-Busting about the Semantic
Web⬦slides
> >>> are attached.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards, -Jeff-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oracle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jeff T. Pollock
> >>> Senior Director
> >>> Fusion Middleware
> >>>
> >>> Main:   800-ORACLE1
> >>>
> >>> Fax:    801-607-6504
> >>>
> >>> Web:    www.oracle.com <http://www.oracle.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Direct: 650-506-4700
> >>>
> >>> Mobile: 415-971-2223
> >>>
> >>> Email:  jeff.pollock@oracle.com <mailto:jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> - --
> >>
> >> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> >> URL: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >> PGP Key: http://www.cwi.nl/%7Eivan/AboutMe/pgpkey.html
> >> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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> 
> --
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog:
http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> President & CEO
> OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
Received on Friday, 16 March 2007 17:41:06 UTC

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