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Re: data format for gathered information

From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:17:17 +0100
Message-ID: <45E7F9AD.30704@dfki.de>
To: "Paul Walsh, Segala" <paulwalsh@segala.com>
CC: "'Danny Ayers'" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>, "'Kingsley Idehen'" <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "'Benjamin Nowack'" <bnowack@appmosphere.com>, "'Ian Davis'" <Ian.Davis@talis.com>
Es begab sich aber da Paul Walsh, Segala zur rechten Zeit 27.02.2007 
15:04 folgendes schrieb:
>
> How can you forget about Content Labels? I thought I already had you 
> brainwash?
>
I don't exactly understand what you mean. Information Gathering is about 
importing data, gathering data,
at the moment not about representing it on a website. Are content labels 
about accessability and embedding some metadata in generated HTML? then 
its out of focus for now, but should be addressed once we start with the 
portal.

For me, a dc:title is fair enough for gathering information items. It 
works for RSS. What is needed beyond?

If we require an additional element in the RDF data we import, can you 
give an RDF example of what is needed to have content labels?
I don't find any triples skimming fastly over [1]

greets
Leo

[1] http://segala.com/blog/content-labels-explained-in-plain-english/

>  
>
> Seriously, we have a vocabulary for accessibility, ICRA have one for, 
> er, ICRA descriptors. Is this where you would see a definition of 
> Content Labels, or detail about the vocabulary?
>
>  
>
> Paul Labelled Walsh
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>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Leo Sauermann
> *Sent:* 27 February 2007 13:59
> *To:* Danny Ayers
> *Cc:* W3C SWEO IG; Kingsley Idehen; Benjamin Nowack; Ian Davis
> *Subject:* Re: data format for gathered information
>
>  
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> perhaps read the wiki-page in parallel to this email thread.
> DOAP, FOAF, etc are all mentioned there already,
> *http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary*
>
> Benjamin, Ivan, you are free to edit the wiki page,
> just change/adapt it so that it reflects your approach, please start 
> editing.
> (no edits so far,
> this is a wiki, free speech, last change wins, anything goes, like 
> wikipedia)
>
>
> Es begab sich aber da Benjamin Nowack zur rechten Zeit 26.02.2007 
> 11:24 folgendes schrieb:
>
> On 22.02.2007 19:55:52, Leo Sauermann wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> I see two things to face, first:
>> Describing Information items as such, such as tools, websites, 
>> presentaitons, tutorials. This should be done using RSS 1.0, and in some 
>> cases when needed extended using DOAP, foaf, etc. This is pretty 
>> straightforward, please review and update this site until you agree:
>> *http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary*
>>     
> Not sure about the RSS design decision, it pretty much restricts
> the resource types to documents, so we can't really use it as an
> "umbrella" spec. My 2 highly redundant cents:
> - I found DOAP to work fine for most things software, DCMI provides a 
>   number of handy resource type URIs[1] which could be used to augment
>   doap:Version resources (e.g. dctype:Collection, dctype:Dataset,
>   dctype:InteractiveResource, dctype:Service), or owl:Ontology for
>   projects that produce vocabularies (e.g. the FOAF project)
>   
>
> That was partly already there,
> please edit the wiki page so that it reflects your exact ideas, but I 
> think the current version already is like you say here.
>
>
>
> - tags (skos:subject, or dc:subject) for more specific stuff (personal
>   preference: the more fine-grained skos options)
>   
>
> ok, one more for SKOS
>
>
> - Danny's review vocab[2] for ratings/reviews
>   
>
> please add this to the wiki page!
>
> - a combination of the two rdf/iCal specs[3][4] (with and without
>   timezone-datatyped timestamps) for events
>   
>
> they are rather buggy and not clear which one to use, but I would go 
> for the simpler (not-timezone-as-datatype-one).
>
>
>
> Es begab sich aber da Danny Ayers zur rechten Zeit 22.02.2007 20:25 
> folgendes schrieb:
>
>
> Quick thoughts: I see the motivation re. reuse, but rather than trying
> to use solely RSS 1.0 for the items, it might be better to use more
> precise terms where they exist, as_well_as the RSS terms, e.g.
>
> *<http://example.org/doc>* a rss:item; a foaf:Document .
>
> I also thought about this, but if you require from all participants to 
> do that, it sucks.
> Why should anyone annotate two types if one is enough? This is the 
> format we expect external data to be in,
> inference should add the additional triples.
>
>
>
> For the taxo stuff, SKOS sounds a very good idea generally, though I
> wouldn't be surprised if there were existing vocabs that could be used
> for things like "tutorial" etc.
> I'll cc Ian, he hangs around libraries...
>
> It might also be worth considering (perhaps redundantly again) the Tag
> Ontology at
> *http://www.holygoat.co.uk/projects/tags/*
>
> SKOS covers this and more, so would rather use skos.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Danny.
>
>
>
>
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