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Re: [SKOS] The return of ISSUE-44 (was Re: TR : SKOS Reference Editor's Draft 23 December 2007)

From: Daniel Rubin <rubin@med.stanford.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:57:07 -0800
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20080110065354.04a039c8@med.stanford.edu>
To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Cc: Simon Spero <sesuncedu@gmail.com>,SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>

It might be good to discuss this our tcon, as I 
don't understand your response to my question.
Daniel

At 01:38 AM 1/10/2008, Antoine Isaac wrote:

>Hi daniel,
>
>That would seem intuitive in some case, but it is not in many KOS practices.
>Consider the following quote from the NISO 
>Z39.19 standard Simon has just pointed us to 
>(and I think there is the same in ISO 2788)
>
>>Associative Relationships
>>This relationship covers associations between 
>>terms that are neither equivalent nor hierarchical,
>
>Antoine
>
>>Are we still contemplating hierarchy to these 
>>relations? It would seem "broader" and 
>>"narrower" are relations subsumed by "related".
>>
>>Daniel
>>
>>At 02:01 PM 1/9/2008, Simon Spero wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Is it better  to label these relationships with the terms 'broader'
>>>and 'narrower' whilst defining them with the semantics of 'related'?
>>>Wouldn't it be better to use the standard labels to denote the
>>>standard semantics, and use a special label, disjoint from broader,
>>>for the non-hierarchical hierarchies?
>>>
>>>The SKOS Core Guide[1] originally aligned itself with Z39.19/BS8723;
>>>I feel it's a mistake to abandon the standard semantics without also
>>>abandoning the standard labels. The Library of 
>>>Congress adopted the BT/ NT labels for its 
>>>syndetic relationships  in the LCSH, without fixing
>>>the semantics; this has not proven helpful :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Broader/Narrower Relationships
>>>
>>>To assert that one concept is broader in meaning (i.e. more general)
>>>than another, where the scope (meaning) of one falls completely within
>>>the scope of the other, use the skos:broader property. To assert the
>>>inverse, that one concept is narrower in meaning (i.e. more specific)
>>>than another, use the skos:narrower property.
>>>[...]
>>>The properties skos:broader and skos:narrower are transitive properties.
>>>
>>>See also section on hierarchies in BS8723.
>>>
>>>  [1, §#sechierarchy]
>>>
>>>Simon
>>>
>>>[1]  Alistair Miles and Dan Brickley,SKOS Core Guide (November, 2005).
>>>Available at  http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/
>>
>>
>
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