The record of yesterday's SWD telecon is available at
http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html
Topics
1. ADMIN
2. SWD review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
3. SKOS
4. RDFa
5. RECIPES
6. VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
Summary of Action items:
[NEW] ACTION:
Tom to write cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of
main points + send to Working Group mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego and Justin to
review document [1] prior to
f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to review document [1] b4 f2f
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Vit to lead discussion
about Vocabulary Management @ f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to move
ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to post user
experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to state
the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal
for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to email a
proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Antoine to make
wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics"
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose
resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16)
-- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to ask for
feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon to clarify
reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic
"Receipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Sean to prepare
readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph update RDFa
agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Guus to raise
question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date
modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Elisa will
configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12]
Full text copy follows below.
Cheers,
Quentin
PS: Sorry if not following the normal pattern.
===============================================================================
25 Sep 2007
Agenda [2]
See also: IRC log [3], previous 2007-08-28 [4]
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0063.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Clay Redding, Ed Summers, Quentin Reul,
Michael Hausenblas, Antoine Isaac, Vit Novacek,
Daniel Rubin, Jon Phipps, Simone Onofri, Sean Bechhofer
Regrets
Alistair Miles, Diego Berrueta
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Quentin
Contents
* Topics
1. ADMIN
2. SWD review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
3. SKOS
4. RDFa
5. RECIPES
6. VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
* Summary of Action Items
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADMIN
PROPOSED to accept minutes of ->
http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html
2007-09-18
RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 18 Sep 2007
SWD review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
<edsu> Michael's review:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0062.html
<edsu> Vit's review:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0061.html
<edsu> Ed's review:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0068.html
<TomB> Michael: Cool URIs assumes RDF/XML
standalone, but what about RDFa?
<TomB> ...for example, if you look at Figures 1 and
2, always have RDF/XML and HTML.
scribe: Beside XML/RDF representation of vocabulary, is
there any other method to be considered (e.g. RDFa)
<Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to propose that Michael's
issue is a generic GRDDL issue
Ralph: Large number of documents which include GRDDL
transform pointers
<TomB> RalphS: Does this document also handle all
GRDDLable documents?
Vit: No mention to solve ontologies but Antoine suggested
it could be solved implicitly
... Solution 303 should be described in more details
<Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose that
Vit's issue may be generalised
Michael: Scalability issues should probably be investigated
<TomB> Ed: scalability did get addressed, but 303
presented as a more scalable way of doing this.
RalphS: Ask for clarification about Vit's concern on
solution 303
<TomB> RalphS: Not clear to me from Vit's review
whether 303 concerns were strictly practical, as related to text of
this draft not, or architectural.
<TomB> ..."either you must use hash or use 303"?
<JonP> 303 cacheability has lately been discussed in
the TAG... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/16-minutes#item06
<TomB> RalphS: gene cannot be transported on
internet (i.e., a real gene)...
<JonP> "Roy Fielding has spoken up to say that [303
lack of cachability] is just a bug in HTTP that should be fixed."
<TomB> RalphS: If this working group disagrees with
choice of hash/303, then we would need to take this up with TAG , not
with authors of this note.
<TomB> ...can see this as a particular application
of our Recipes document.
<TomB> ...Not everyone agrees with TAG's resolution
on hash/303, so we need to formulate our opinion.
Vit: Large RDF are normally shallow dbs and was wondering
about practicality of the solution 303
<RalphS> [it does seem to me that the SWEO note
should be citing the SWBPD Recipes WD also
<scribe> ACTION: TomB to Cover
note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send
to Working Group mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
SKOS
<TomB> ACTION: Guus to move
ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to post user
experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to state
the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal
for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Sean to prepare
readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE]
<edsu> Sean's notes added to the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to make
wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics"
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to email a
proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
RDFa
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph update RDFa
agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]
Ralph: Document has been moved from proposed reading to required
reading
<scribe> ACTION: Diego and Justin
to review document prior to f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
<RalphS> Diego and
Justin agree to review the RDFa Syntax document
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to review doc
b4 f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to raise
question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date
modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DROPPED]
TomB: RDFa to be discussed on Monday morning @ f2f prior to
discussion on SKOS
RECIPES
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose
resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16)
-- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Jon to
clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic
"Recipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE]
JonP: Discussion about Recipe per say (1 hr) and a section
relationship between Recipe and Cool URIs
... discussion between Recipe and related recently published document
(1/2 hr)
<TomB> ...Recipes 2 hours if we include topic
relationship to related documents
VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa will
configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DROPPED]
TomB: Ed pointed out that the issue was important, but Tom
thinks it's out of scope of vocabulary management
Vit: No obvious connection to draft on wiki
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to ask for
feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
<vit> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
<TomB>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0051.html
<RalphS>
[VocabMgt] Updated F2F agenda from Vit
Vit: will take about 30 min to present his solution
<scribe> ACTION: Vit to lead
discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action17]