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May 1 telecon CANCELLED [Re: Meeting record: 2007-04-24 SWD telecon]

From: Guus Schreiber <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:01:01 +0200
Message-ID: <462F6D2D.8000500@cs.vu.nl>
To: SWD Working Group <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
CC: Diego Berrueta <diego.berrueta@fundacionctic.org>

All,

Please note that the telecon for next week is 
canceled. Sorry I was not clearer about that 
during the meeting.

Guus


Diego Berrueta wrote:
> The [1]record of yestersday's Semantic Web Deployment WG
> telecon is ready for review. A text copy follows below.
>         
>    [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html
> 
> Topics
> 
>    1. Admin
>    2. SKOS
>    3. Recipes
>    4. Vocabulary Management
>    5. RDFa
>    6. AOB
> 
> Summary of Resolutions
> 
>    RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 17 Apr 2007
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: Diego to send the review of GRDDL spec [recorded in
>    [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action12]
> 
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case
>    document [recorded in
>    [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action03]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc
>    [recorded in
>    [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action11]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of
>    specifications will be handled [recorded in
>    [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for
>    other options
>    [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [recorded in
>    [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f
>    [recorded in
>    [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for
>    representing Collections
>    [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08]
>    [recorded in
>    [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr
>    17 [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [recorded in
>    [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
>    [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
>    [recorded in
>    [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
> 
>    [DONE] ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case
>    reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April
>    [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
>    [recorded in
>    [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action04]
>    [DONE] ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly
>    at next week's call [recorded in
>    [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12]
> 
>    [DROPPED] ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation
>    requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal
>    values, and how to represent that in skos
>    [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
>    [recorded in
>    [52]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action06]
>    [DROPPED] ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling
>    issue [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [recorded in
>    [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action05]
> 
> The full text of the minutes follows.
> 
> Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
> 
> 24 Apr 2007
> 
>    [2]Agenda
> 
>       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0030.html
> 
>    See also: [3]IRC log
> 
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           Diego Berrueta, Bernard Horan, Ralph Swick, Alistair Miles,
>           Simone Onofri, Antoine Isaac, Guus Schreiber, Daniel Rubin,
>           Tom Baker
> 
>    Regrets
>           Jon Philips, Vit Novacek, Elisa Kendall
> 
>    Chair
>           Guus Schreiber
> 
>    Scribe
>           Diego Berrueta
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]Admin
>          2. [6]SKOS
>          3. [7]Recipes
>          4. [8]Vocabulary Management
>          5. [9]RDFa
>          6. [10]AOB
>      * [11]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> Admin
> 
>    PROPOSED to accept minutes of 17 April telecon:
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html
> 
>      [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html
> 
>    RESOLUTION: accepted minutes
> 
>    tomb proposed next telecon May 8
> 
>    <RalphS> Ralph: regrets for 8 May; meetings in Banff
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f
>    [recorded in
>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
> 
>    RalphS: we should revise this action
>    ... week of November 4th or the week of November 11th?
> 
> SKOS
> 
>    Antoine: still waiting for answers
>    ... I don't know what should be done now
>    ... if we got positive answers, we could give a version a week after
> 
>    guus: we can discuss the comments in a later telecon. We need to
>    publish this
>    ... common way to respond to good documents is to make them optional
>    ... ping reviewers with the new version
> 
>    <RalphS> [14]Re: [SKOS] Review of SKOS Use Cases and Requirements
> 
>      [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0034.html
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Antoine to make a proposal about SKOS Use Case
>    document [recorded in
>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action03]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case
>    reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
>    [recorded in
>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action04]
> 
>      [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02
> 
>    guus: propose to drop the actions on Alan
> 
>    <TomB> +1 to drop the actions
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [DROPPED] [recorded in
>    [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action05]
> 
>      [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation
>    requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal
>    values, and how to represent that in skos
>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
>    [DROPPED] [recorded in
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action06]
> 
>      [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
> 
>    guus: i've been very busy. Any volunteer (to tackle ISSUE-26)?
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for
>    other options
>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
> 
>      [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for
>    representing Collections
>    [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08]
>    [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
> 
>      [24] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08
> 
>    guus: we should start making progress in the issues now
> 
>    aliman: i suggest relationship with OWL(-DL)
>    ... alan has been cc'ing me in a discussion about OWL 1.1
> 
>    <RalphS> [Alistair, could you give us a pointer to the owl 1.1
>    thread archive?]
> 
>    aliman: we should address mapping between concept schemes
>    ... it doesn't look difficult
> 
>    guus: i discussed with daniel 2 weeks ago
> 
>    aliman: should we have narrower, broader across schemes?
> 
>    daniel: some domains may use more specific properties
> 
>    guus: we have to give a guideline about equivalence
>    ... skos:skos:related is too general, skos:broader/narrower are too
>    specific
> 
>    aliman: what's the difference between skos:related and
>    skos:similarTo?
> 
>    guus: similarTo may be a subproperty of related
> 
>    aliman: how the retrieval applications should operate on these
>    properties?
>    ... the only way to define the semantics of these properties is
>    through operational uses
>    ... let's think about how retrieval applications should treat these
>    properties in order to determine their semantics
> 
>    Antoine: actually what you propose as operational semantics of
>    narrower/broader is just one interpretation
>    ... so we don't have the absolute definition of the properties
> 
>    aliman: you're absolutely right, but it should be at least "the most
>    reasonable" way to operationally use these properties
> 
>    guss: this operational semantics should be a guideline, not a
>    definition
> 
>    Antoine: this moves us to the compound concepts
>    ... issue about provenance seems difficult
> 
>    aliman: probably related with versioning
>    ... SKOS has no notion of version
> 
>    guus: (about versioning in SKOS) maybe we can't solve this in this
>    WG
> 
>    aliman: we should have this on the table anyway
> 
>    guus: I can't see anything specific to SKOS
> 
>    <aliman> I note that at leasting talking about versioning, both in
>    relation to SKOS specifically, and in relation to RDF and OWL
>    vocabularies more generally, is in our charter, within the
>    Vocabulary Management work area.
> 
> Recipes
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
>    [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
> 
>      [26] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
> 
> Vocabulary Management
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr
>    17 [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]
> 
>      [28] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01
> 
> RDFa
> 
>    guus: what's the status?
> 
>    RalphS: sorry, I couldn't attend to yesterday's meeting
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of
>    specifications will be handled [recorded in
>    [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [30] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10
> 
>    <RalphS> [31]record of yesterday's RDFa TF telecon
> 
>      [31] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html
> 
>    <RalphS> Simone: RDFa TF discussing issues with W3C validator
> 
>    <RalphS> ... compatibility of new requirements with current W3C
>    validator
> 
>    <RalphS> ... also discussing issue of literals, may be similar to a
>    literal issue in SKOS
> 
>    guus: (to Simone) please summarize through the list
> 
> AOB
> 
>    <RalphS> [32]GRDDL spec review [Diego]
> 
>      [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0029.html
> 
>    guus: let's suggest to add a paragraph about when to use GRDDL and
>    when to use RDFa
> 
>    RalphS: it's better to simply say that there are two alternatives
> 
>    guus: this may confuse readers
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Diego to send the review of GRDDL spec [recorded in
>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action12]
> 
>    <TomB> okay, is that a response from the SWD WG if Diego sends it?
> 
>    <RalphS> yes, thanks, Diego, for the GRDDL review
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss
>    briefly at next week's call [recorded in
>    [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]
> 
>      [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12
> 
>    <RalphS> Tom, I believe the record is sufficient to show that Diego
>    was asked to comment on behalf of the WG and this meeting discussed
>    his review briefly but we did not ask for a WG consensus
> 
>    No further business, meeting adjourned
> 
>      [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action11
>      [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action10
>      [39] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07
>      [41] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
>      [42] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08
>      [44] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01
>      [46] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
> 
>      [48] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02
>      [50] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html#action12
> 
>      [51] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
>      [53] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
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