- From: Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) <dbooth@hp.com>
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David Booth
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Semantic Web Best Practices and Deployment
19 Sep 2005
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0067.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Raphael Troncy, Valentina Presutti, Guus
Schreiber,
Christian Halaschek, Libby Miller, Alistair Miles, Jacco van
Ossenbruggen, Evan Wallace, Brian Mcbride, David Booth, Holger
Knublauch, Chris Welty, Phil Tetlow, Jeremy Carroll, Mike
Uschold,
David Wood, Giorgos Stamou, Deb McGuinness, Natasha Noy
Regrets
Fabien, Benjamin, Jeff, TomB
Chair
Guus Schreiber / David Wood
Scribe
DBooth
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. ADMIN
2. [6]2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
3. [7]2.2 XML Schema Last Call
4. [8]2.3 SPARQL Last Call
5. [9]2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request
6. [10]3. FTF preparation and future of WG
7. [11]4.0 MM TF (Giorgos)
8. [12]4.2 OEP (Deb/Chris)
9. [13]4.1 PORT (Alistair)
10. [14]4.3 WordNet (Aldo)
11. [15]4.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
12. [16]4.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
13. [17]4.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
14. [18]4.7 ADTF (Libby)
15. [19]4.8 RDFTM (Steve)
16. [20]4.9 Tutorial Page
17. [21]4.10 SE TF
* [22]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________________
<RalphS> Previous: 2005-09-05
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
1. ADMIN
RESOLUTION: to accept the minutes of the 5 September telecon:
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
<bwm> probable regrets from Brian for 03 Oct - will be on train
RESOLUTION: next meeting 3 October.
<RalphS> ACTION: Ralph create a [25]registration page for the
November f2f
recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf-3/
Done after the meeting: [27]registration page]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf-3/
F2F Preparation: Trying to find a sponsor for the dinner. Volunteers?
Guus: Please book now!
2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
<dwood> ralphs: +1 on more work re httpRange-14
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG
httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers
[DONE]
See [28]David Wood's use case message
[28]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0010.html
2.2 XML Schema Last Call
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [DONE] [recorded
in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
<RalphS> [I'm reviewing the context of JJC's action in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02 ]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02
<Jeremy>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0104.html
[31]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0104.html
<Jeremy>
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-schema-comments/2005AprJ
un/0
037.html
[32]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-schema-comments/2005AprJun/0
037.html
<RalphS> I'm happy considering this action DONE
2.3 SPARQL Last Call
Guus: There were requests from DanC for review from the SWBPD WG.
Volunteers?
<bwm> I could take a pass at it - though note the editor sits close
to me
<dwood> I volunteeer - I've been reading it anyway
Ralph: Had some discussion about UNSAID and source. Chris and Deb
offered
input on them. Have they looked at current SPARQL work?
Chris: I looked at part, not all. There are a couple of IBM folks on
the WG.
<scribe> ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call
document
recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
<Zakim> Jeremy, you wanted to mention IRIs
<scribe> ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL
[recorded
in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
<RalphS> 14 September 2005: SPARQL Protocol for RDF - Last Call Ends
14
October 2005
<dwood> Please note that the SPARQL last call is for the *protocol*
([35]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/). This is not to
be
confused with the query language (although I think it was).
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/%29.
<ChrisW> re: sparql comment from dwood - I only looked at the query
language, never the protocol
<ChrisW> ...however, PatH has been involved (OEP member)
2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request
Guus: There was a specific request for people to look at some
problems they
have.
<RalphS> (SPARQL Query Results XML Format and SPARQL Query Language
for RDF
LC both ended 1 Sep)
<scribe> ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05
Guus: Volunteers? (No response)
Ralph: Folks who have looked at porting taxonomies to the SemWeb
might be
able to help.
Alistair: This is the first I've heard of it. I'll have to look
first.
Chris: I don't think we should be consultants to people who want to
build
vocabularies on the SemWeb.
Ralph: We wouldn't want a floodgate of requests for help, but this is
another W3C WG, is asking us to comment on their work-in-progress
with
respect to best practice, and so is very much in the spirit of our
charter.
I don't think the material in the existing OEP notes is relevant to
them --
the OEP work is much more advanced.
<ChrisW> I also said - swbp had a lot of material in the form of
notes that
could help this group
Jeremy: From external perspective, all W3C publications reflect what
the W3C
says, so if other groups say bad things it reflects badly on W3C as a
whole.
So even if we don't want to, we need to pay attention to what others
say.
<RalphS> Ralph: the EARL work may eventually need what OEP has
written but
they're not yet there
Alistair: This WG is creating a taxonomy? (Yes) And they want advice
on how
to develop that? (Yes)
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and
Formats WG
on their vocabulary [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
3. FTF preparation and future of WG
Guus: Need to consider what work should continue, and in what form,
after
the end of this WG charter expires.
Guus: I saw something from the OAP TF. Others?
<Jeremy> (XSCH: I've not considered this yet)
<RalphS> [38]OEP agenda for f2f [Chris 2005-09-17]
[38]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0071.html
Alistair: I hope by the time of the F2F we will have the revise WD of
the
SKOS core spec and the revised WD of the guide reflecting changes to
date.
Also proposals regarding SKOS Core and OWL. By end of charter, hope
to have
3rd public WD (after review in OAP TF).
Q: Should this be a break out session or part of full session?
Guus: I prefer it to be in the primary session.
Alistair: Fine. At the F2F I'd like to discuss a list of
proposals/issues
relating to the SKOS/OWL relationship.
Guus: Multimedia TF?
Giorgos: Want to discuss the second deliverable for the TF, and the
deliverable for the next year: the main budget for next year.
Guus: Goals for this F2F? Deliverables?
Giorgos: First deliverable will be finished; discuss the second.
Guus: Decision on publishing the first deliverable at F2F? And date
for 2nd
deliverable?
Giorgos: Ok.
Guus: All documents to be discussed need to be available 1 week
before the
F2F.
... RDFTM?
Valentina: We started again to work (Steve was ill). Didn't discuss
yet
about F2F goals, but I'll post email to the list about goals and I'll
be
there at the F2F.
<RalphS> [good to have RDFTM presence here on the WG telecon; thanks,
Valentina]
<Zakim> Jeremy, you wanted to talk about SW and W3C
Guus: Wordnet TF?
<bwm> Do we have a plan beyond the f2f?
Guus: Can bring data model RDF/OWL version to F2F. I'll post to the
list.
Jeremy: I'll consider this and email the list.
<RalphS> [JJC was commenting re: XML Schema Datatypes]
Guus: Vocabulary management?
Alistair: Suggest that Tom and I write up what we've done and submit
that.
Guus: RDF-in-HTML?
... TF needs to make clear what they can realistically achieve in the
short
term, and how to close this work.
Ralph: TF is in limbo. Haven't managed to have a telecon in quite a
while. I
continue to think we have a plan that is executable, and could
propose to
shift the burden back to the HTML WG, but I'm not optimistic about
that
being effective.
... This WG should continue to need to participate. Should not have a
plan
to close the TF until HTML2 is in Last Call that meets our needs. WE
have
outstanding issues with no recorded progress.
Guus: What about producing a simple guideline note based on Jeremy's
WWW
conference talk?
Ralph: That could help.
<Jeremy> Jeremy moans ...
Jeremy: That's nice feedback, but not nice to have another action.
I'd be
happy to be a supporting player.
Ralph: Need to get our TF reconvening.
Guus: We have too many TFs in limbo. Need to clear that by the F2F.
... ADTF?
Libby: Discussed about whether to transfer to IG. I'll follow up with
email.
<Jacco> jeremy, could steven pemberton write up your talk as a rdf-a
note?
Guus: Goals For F2F?
... Tutorial Page?
<Valentina> I apologize, I have to leave the telecon.
<Valentina> Goodbye to all :)
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial
Page
recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
Guus: SE TF?
<ChrisW> "ODA" note
Phil: Two definites: It would be good to decide about publication of
ODA
Note. Second: Transfer of this discussion into SWIG.
Guus: By next telecon, DavidW and I will try to have a draft agenda
for the
F2F.
... Should also think about what should happen after Feb 1: Continue
in IG?
Elsewhere? Special WG of its own? Etc.
... By next telecon every TF should have an opinion on this. E.g.,
SKOS has
been mentioned a number of times as a candidate for Rec track work.
... GRDDL work is less clear, because it isn't clear who would work
on it.
F2F logistics: [40]http://sw.deri.org/2005/07/swbpd/
[40] http://sw.deri.org/2005/07/swbpd/
4.0 MM TF (Giorgos)
<ChrisW> what is the first deliverable?
Giogos: We set up home page of TF, working on the first deliverable.
Have
requests from others to participate.
... Some W3C members who are not WG members want to join the TF.
Guus: That's their right.
Giorgos: Excellent. And for W3C members who are not yet a member of
this WG?
Guus: The need to be proposed by their AC rep. We said TF size should
be
4-8. You expect more?
Giogos: No.
Ralph: People joining a TF need to be part of the WG as a whole.
... and participate in these teleconferences.
Giorgos: To be a co-author of a deliverable?
Ralph: They need to be appointed to the WG by the AC rep, for
Intellectual
Property rights reasons.
Guus: Jane Hunter applied for Invited Expert status, given her
circumstances, that might be granted.
... It would be good if she can join. She intends to make her new
employer a
member. Quite different from the Motorola case.
<RalphS> [Raphael speaking]
Raphael: We are gathering experience in MM technologies -- the
encoding in
MPEG7 and others. I'll email by the end of this week.
4.1 PORT (Alistair)
<aliman> [PORT] also presented and gave a tutorial on SKOS Core at
DC2005
last week ... tutorial at
[41]http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/~checkout~/skos/press/dc2005
/tut
orial.ppt ... presentation at
[42]http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/~checkout~/skos/press/dc2005
/pre
sentation.ppt
<Zakim> aliman, you wanted to say a couple of words on PORT
<aliman> [PORT] feedback at DC2005 on SKOS was overwhelmingly
positive!
[41]
http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/%7Echeckout%7E/skos/press/dc2005
/tutorial.ppt
[42]
http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/%7Echeckout%7E/skos/press/dc2005
/presentation.ppt
4.2 OEP (Deb/Chris)
Chris: We'll need 3 docs reviewed: Qualified Cardinality
Restrictions; OWL
Time; Semanantic Integration. Goal was an editor's draft by the F2F,
ready
for WG review.
<Jacco> i'll have to leave - sorry (I've got baby crying :-)
<aliman> I could review the 'semantic integration' note?
Chris: Might have Qual Card note ready earlier.
<RalphS> [43]OEP home page
[43] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/
Chris: OWL Time content is ready, but needs to be formatted into W3C
Note
format, so it's ready for WG review.
<raphael_troncy> I have read also the 'semantic integration' note and
I will
send comments on the list soon ...
Chris: Semantic Int note should be ready for review for the F2F.
Maybe the
Qual Card note.
Ralph: I only see a bulleted list.
<RalphS> Chris: follow the 'documentation' link from the OEP page
Chris: I need to make it point to the documentation page.
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
<Jeremy> I'm interested in time, but too overloaded
<RalphS> [I will likely read the Time note out of interest too, but
don't
want to commit to a review at this time]
<dwood> Brian left about 30 minutes ago
<scribe> ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic
Integration
note, which will be ready for review near the F2F [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
<Gary> [I am likely to read all three notes, but cannot commit to a
review
at this time]
<scribe> ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
Natasha: As far as OEP is concerned, we're done.
Guus: That's on my to do list.
... Expect an update of Mark's document on Wordnet.
<ChrisW> that was, Natasha: as far as OEP is concerned, the n-ary
notes is
done, just waiting for guus
<aliman> [Adding some additional notes re PORT] ... I've written up
PORT/SKOS goals at
[48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0079.html
[48]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0079.html
4.3 WordNet (Aldo)
Nothing to add.
4.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
Nothing to add.
4.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
Nothing to add..
4.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
No news.
4.7 ADTF (Libby)
Libby: Site has been hacked; working on another site temporarily.
4.8 RDFTM (Steve)
Nothing to add.
4.9 Tutorial Page
Nothing to add.
4.10 SE TF
<libby> (we're maintaining this
[49]http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard but not
[50]http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/ in adtf)
[49] http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
[50] http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/
<scribe> ACTION: DanBri to clarify rules for IG to propose new
mailing lists
for its TFs [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING]
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action10
Guus: Main topic of upcoming F2F agenda will be on what work to
continue.
ADJOURNED
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats
WG on
their vocabulary [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note [recorded
in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document
recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page
recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic
Integration
note, which will be ready for review near the F2F [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f
recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanBri to clarify rules for IG to propose new
mailing
lists for its TFs [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[61] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action10
[62] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05
[DONE] ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG
httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers
[End of minutes]
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