- From: Deborah L. McGuinness <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:15:30 -0700
- To: "Deborah L. McGuinness" <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
- CC: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>, public-swbp-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <416C2D52.2040701@ksl.stanford.edu>
here is the link to the Closing
http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/webont/HowToDoIt/closingRoles.html
Deborah L. McGuinness wrote:
> I also agree that all of these would be useful and also that we will
> want to prioritize.
>
> I met in person or discussed the issue in email with a few people in
> the last few weeks and also have input on the following topics:
>
> 1. part-of.
> a. I met with evan about the simpler part-of note. Evan is
> interesting in contributing to that one and I also agreed to help. as
> background, i designed the part-of solution for ontolingua/jtp
> part-of reasoning in the high performance knowledge base effort. we
> essentially put in some structure for some set of part-of
> relationships and identified critical properties of those notions such
> as if they were transitive.
> i had spoken to evan about geographic containment in particular since
> it is so useful and less controversial than others.
> i also contacted mike uschold by email about this simpler note and
> asked if he would be interested in helping since i believe he has done
> a more thorough look at gruber's units and measures than anyone. he
> agreed.
> b. I also spoke to chris about his broader notion of a part-of note
> and agreed to help with that. arguably the simpler note a might be a
> starting point for one portion of the broader note b. for example,
> note a could be very operational with an example solution and note b
> could include more discussion about the thornier part-of issues and
> less agreed upon issues.
>
> 2. Time. In May, I spoke with Jerry Hobbs about a note based on his
> time ontology. He was interested then. The idea might be to take his
> work as a starting point. I offered to help with this since we also
> have a special temporal reasoner in jtp that we are now integrating
> with owl time.
> The work is not quite done but when it is, that might be a convenient
> starting point as an operational example of using owl time.
>
> 3. Role Closing. It may make sense for alan and me to talk about
> this one and do it together. In the classic stereo configurator for
> example, we had a special "close all roles" function implemented to
> that a user could call from the interface by the click of a button.
> it had a general solution embedded in it but also leveraged
> information about the domain. With colleagues, I started to write up
> the general solution for publication and we identified that there were
> thornier problems lurking and unfortunately we never finished the
> academic quality publication.
> In some of the CLASSIC literature, i mentioned a little about simple
> operational solutions. I am thinking that an operationally oriented
> note combining alan's and my perspectives might go a long way.
> a while ago i started the "how to do it" collection for webont. i can
> go back and find the one on closing roles and send that in another email.
>
> more generally, one thing i saw oep doing was moving forward with the
> how to do it notion where the emphasis was on helping normal people
> use owl. that was somewhat motivated by the usefulness of the
> "tricks of the trade" portion of the "living with classic" paper.
> that attemped to mention some of the typical questions we were asked
> and the "typical" modeling solutions.
>
> selfishly, i would like to find a way to contribute to notes that are
> both useful and fun. One aspect of fun to write might be that some
> portion of them may be useful for a publication. It is conceivable
> that we might have the operational/useful starting point that is the
> simpler note to get out
> and then have a second phase of the note that is something that has
> more scholarly contribution.
>
> d
>
>
>
>
> Christopher Welty wrote:
>
>>
>> Here are some suggestions for the topics of future OEP notes for
>> "ontology patterns". I want to get some feedback both from the task
>> force and the WG in general regarding other topics. This is
>> something of a synthesis of stuff that is needed, and stuff that we
>> think people can do. Please make this an agenda item for next week's
>> telecon. We hope to have something more concrete by the f2f, this is
>> just intended to get people thinking:
>>
>> The partOf relation. There really isn't that much that can be "said"
>> in OWL (and therefore less in RDF) regarding the typical
>> axiomatizations of partOf, but knowing the different kinds of partOf
>> relations and what they are supposed to mean would be useful. I'm
>> hoping that some subset of Nicola, Alan, and I can take the lead on
>> this one, but I also see the need for a couple of notes here, so I
>> think this needs further discussion. For example Deborah expressed
>> interest in a simpler note (less ambitious but quicker turnaround) on
>> geographical containment.
>>
>> Units and measures. There has been some work on this, including in
>> Cyc, Tom Gruber's ontology in Ontolingua, and Helena Sofia-Pinto did
>> a nice one for the old SUO effort. Evan was interested in this and
>> it certainly makes sense to have someone at NIST do it.
>>
>> Subjects. The notion of what a subject "is" and what the "subjectOf"
>> relation means can be quite confusing. I have done a lot of work on
>> this and am willing to take this one on, however I will want to do
>> one at a time.
>>
>> Time. Jerry Hobbs has done a very thorough job putting together a
>> consensus ontology of time based on a lot of existing time
>> ontologies, most of which draw from the Allen calculus. The ontology
>> is expressed in FOL (KIF), but there are (necessarily simplified)
>> DAML+OIL and OWL ("OWL-Time") versions available. Jerry has
>> expressed interest in seeing this as a W3C note.
>>
>> Fluents. Closely tied to the notion of time is being able to say
>> that a binary property "holds" for a time. e.g. one may want to say
>> that "Chris is a member of the W3C from Sept, 2004 - Sept 2005". A
>> property like memberOf is a fluent because it can be said to hold at
>> a time (this is not strictly a correct definition, but it will
>> suffice). While OWL-Time let's you represent a time interval like
>> "Sept, 2004-Sept, 2005", it remains neutral wrt what happens at or
>> during such a time interval. The typical move in FOL is to use a
>> function or add an argument to the predicate, e.g. memberOf(Chris,
>> W3C, time-interval-1), however clearly we can't do that in OWL or
>> RDF, since we are limited to binary predicates. One solution is to
>> go for full reification of fluents, as in the exsiting not on n-ary
>> relations, however there are some other choices. I'm hoping I can
>> get Pat Hayes and Richard Fikes to work with me on this one.
>>
>> On the side of "ontology engineering":
>>
>> Ontology 101 tutorial specifically for OWL/RDF.
>>
>> I think a note to help orient people on the role OWL and RDF in
>> semantic integration is critical, I get pinged on that regularly. I
>> lot of people think OWL is the silver bullet for semantic integration
>> (I suggested at ISWC last year that semantic integration is a
>> mountain, not a werewolf, and OWL is, at best, a small silver
>> chisel). There was just a Dagstuhl symposium on this subject in
>> general (i.e. not specific to OWL), and special issues of AI Magazine
>> and Sigmod record coming out as well. I hope Natasha and/or MikeU
>> will take the lead on such a note.
>>
>> People who know what "ontology" and "semantics" actually mean (in the
>> much larger world outside of computer science), often ask why the two
>> have become nearly synonymous on the semantic web. Personally, I
>> think its a fair question and a short note on why we're so confused
>> would be worthwhile. Maybe this goes in another task force (wasn't
>> there a clean up the mess we've made task force?)
>>
>> We're open to other suggestions.
>>
>> -Chris (OEP co-co)
>>
>> Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group
>> IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr., Hawthorne, NY 10532
>> USA
>> Voice: +1 914.784.7055, IBM T/L: 863.7055, Fax: +1 914.784.7455
>> Email: welty@watson.ibm.com, Web:
>> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/w/welty/
>
>
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Deborah L. McGuinness
Knowledge Systems Laboratory
353 Serra Mall
Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241
Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020
email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu
URL: http://ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/index.html
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