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<trackbot> Date: 11 October 2012
<krit1> ed: and heycam
while we're waiting, if you haven't filled out the telcon time page, please do (and make sure your UTC offset is correct for *after* nov 6)
<krit1> ed: where is this page?
if you're looking for UTC offsets, see here e.g: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=11&day=8&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=195&p2=224&p3=207&p4=240&p5=248
so, 21 UTC looks pretty ok
RESOLUTION: we'll have the telcon thursdays 21.00-22.30 UTC starting 8 November 2012
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
dirk: i won't be at tpac thu-fri
ds: i'll be there
ED: let's cancel the nov 1 telcon then
ed: ready to be published, transition request approved
<scribe> ... pending pubrules checks and actual publication
dirk: think the spec is in good shape
dirk: not very controversial, can fr be larger than r?
... think it should be able to
... canvas allows it
tav: didn't we already decide to follow canvas?
ed: did you find any content relying on the old behaviour (apart from the testsuite)?
dirk: one comment from dr olaf hoffmann
... and maybe there was something from dailey too
ed: so, in the webkit impl now there's no clamping, just the same as in canvas?
ed: do we want to move the testcase in the testsuite back to draft status, or just leave it as-is?
dirk: let's leave it and then make new testcases instead
ed: will check if we have any content relying on the old behaviour internally
dirk: csswg resolved to move clip to the css masking spec
... clip is different in SVG 1.1, due to reference to CSS2.0
... the behaviour for auto is different, we should follow css2.1
ED: we've already decided to follow css2.1 I think, so that should be fine
... my experience with 'clip' in svg content is that it's unreliable across browsers
dirk: it's also limited to applying to elemetns that establish viewports
... if csswg wants to keep it then maybe it should apply to more elements
... but if they want to deprecate it, then leave it more or less as it is
ed: there's a lack of tests for 'clip' in the svg testsuite
dirk: we should start writing more tests for svg
... can we resolve that clip: auto has no effect in svg?
ed: does it have an effect in html?
dirk: no, no effect
ed: ok, in that case svg should do the same (that is have no effect)
RESOLUTION: clip: 'auto' should have no effect in svg2
dirk: can i remove the parts in svg2, and reference css masking instead?
... like we do for filter effects
rik: sounds reasonable
ed: as long as it keeps backwards compat that should be fine
tav: should have a short paragraph of text for masking/clipping in svg2 still
dirk: ok, i can do that
RESOLUTION: svg2 will reference CSS Masking
tav: we talked about ports being defined in objbbox space
... should be defined in userspace so that if a rect gets skewed the ports move with the shape
... so that if you transform the shape the ports get transformed too
shepazu: was thinking precentages as being defined in css, relative to bbox
dirk: that's a different thing
... i'd agree with tav
shepazu: if i said something was 50% x and 100% y, and it was in a rect, i'd expect that to be in the 50%,100% bbox of the shape not of the parent
tav: ok, but if you skew the rect, so the points move with the sides
shepazu: if you say that's what it means that's fine
... what would you expect if i had a rect 100x50
... and a point inside that, x,y = 50,50
... where would you expect that to be, if the rect's x,y was 100,100
tav: the center of the bottom of the box
<shepazu> <rect x=100 y=100 width=100 height=50><point x=50 y=50/></rect>
shepazu: in the example i just pasted in, you'd expect the point in abs coords 150,150?
shepazu: that's what i'd want
tav: the pretransformed bbox
... the connector shouldn't be defined in terms of the object
... they don't belong to the object
<krit1> shepazu: do you mean 150,125?
shepazu: they do, but it's different
RESOLUTION: points inside shape elements are in the coordinate space of the shape element
tav: shepazu you're working on the connectors spec now?
shepazu: yes, cleaned up on the flight back
shepazu: svg wow demos?
ed: had a plan to move the published content to github, will try to do that soon
... should make it easier for ppl
dirk: svg parts are lacking polish
shepazu: please help out with that :)
dirk: it's hard to find things
shepazu: it will get better
trackbot, end telcon