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RE: Agenda, 16 February 2012 SVG WG telcon

From: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:02:51 -0800
To: "'Alex Danilo'" <adanilo@google.com>, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
CC: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>, "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <3087C3EE109D634A82116DB24F8B48450BCF9F@nambx09.corp.adobe.com>
Hi Alex,

Are you saying premultiplied alpha where the color component are greater than the alpha value (or negative) are valid results?
Even with linearRGB, we are still in the RGB colorspace (not XYZ or some other hypothetical space)...

Rik

From: Alex Danilo [mailto:adanilo@google.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:45 PM
To: Chris Lilley
Cc: Erik Dahlstrom; public-svg-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Agenda, 16 February 2012 SVG WG telcon

+1 to that.

There seems to be some disconnect between what colour management is about recently.

For example the recent thread (on webkit-dev perhaps?) about filters generating colour that's 'illegal' - i.e. the colour channels greater than the alpha in pre-multiplied form is wrong. It's just a fluorescent colour.

We really should ensure we do colour science properly.

Alex
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org<mailto:chris@w3.org>> wrote:
On Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:14:36 AM, Erik wrote:

ED> Missed one thing:

ED> * color-interpolation-filters
ED>
ED> http://www.w3.org/mid/CAGN7qDDh_yJX_EzWNtuvW3N_eywgvB3MioMn6FoP_p8kHTwh-A@mail.gmail.com


Are we discussing:

a) how to specify the longhand, element-based equivalent to each of the css shorthand properties (which will include the value of the color-interpolation-filters property,

or

b) whether to remove color-interpolation-filters and color-interpolation, thus breaking backwards compatibility and destroying improvements in color management in SVG2, because of flawed understanding of basic concepts like gamma, chromaticity, and so forth?

If a) then I am all in favour of providing the longhand equivalents and would like to see tests that put the longhand and shorthand side by side so we can check that implementors are doing the right thing.

If b) and we are seriously considering legislating the dumb approach to RGB, then I have strong objections to such a wrong-headed approach.

I can provide links to further reading if people need to brush up on basic concepts.


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 Chris Lilley   Technical Director, Interaction Domain
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