- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:14:35 +1100
- To: www-svg@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/14-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
14 Jan 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Jan/0041.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/01/14-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
[Microsoft], Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]brussels f2f
2. [6]F2F dates
3. [7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010Ja
nMar/0008.html
4. [8]Update on remaining actions
5. [9]Remove child in <use> email question
6. [10]Error Handling
7. [11]Gradient investigation
8. [12]css/svg tf
9. [13]svgwg blog
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 14 January 2010
<ed> PD: may 24 is a holiday
<ed> ...public holiday, office closed
<ChrisL> belgium public holidays
[15]http://www.worldtravelguide.net/country/30/public_holidays/Europ
e/Belgium.html
[15]
http://www.worldtravelguide.net/country/30/public_holidays/Europe/Belgium.html
<scribe> scribe: anthony
brussels f2f
F2F dates
DS: I'd like to have a F2F at MS
PD: Same
... except for that Monday
<ChrisL> 24 May Whit Monday.
PD: I checked on 24th - 26th
CL: Take Thursday, Friday
... then have the Monday off
... so 4 day meeting
... but a break in the middle
... it's already a 7 day stretch
... so we do need a break
... then the next meeting after that would be the spill over meeting
DS: What about having the F2F after LGM
CL: Might be a bit tired with all those days in a row
... could do Tue, Wed
... Thur - Sun is LGM
... then Monday is spill over meeting
... then F2F meeting
DS: Do you know if we can get in on Monday?
PD: I can't even get it on Monday
<ChrisL> so I suggest tues weds 25-25 for meeting, then lgm 27-30,
joint meeting mon 31, and extra days tues and weds 1-2 june?
DS: What about meeting at a hotel or the conference venue on Monday
... the 24th, then MS Tue - Wed
... then the following Monday have the open day
PD: Just to be clear May 25 - 26
DS: Have about at the most 10 people
CL: What about June 1 - 2?
PD: If rooms are still need and we can't provide space at the office
... we can arrange other things
DS: We have a lot of unfinished work. So we can organise the agenda
... so that there are topics we can discuss while PD is around
AG: DOM Summit dates?
DS: Still organising dates
... we could sneak in a one day web TP
... suggested by Fantasai
<ChrisL> unconference was her suggestion
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/0008.h
tml
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/0008.html
Update on remaining actions
ED: Want to see if anyone wants to take action of JWatt
... back porting text
CL: I'm already moving some stuff
... still working on the spec atm
PD: Is it shifting features back?
CL: No just clarifications
... can't add new features
Remove child in <use> email question
PD: We weren't sure what the right behaviour was
... inconsistent rendering
DS: If the use is referencing an element and you remove that element
... then the use element stays in the DOM
... but it doesn't rendering
PD: Is it helpful for me to say where we find these problems on the
list?
DS: Yes please post them to the public list
... we can work with the IG to make tests
... in some cases these problems are due to ambiguities in the spec
... in which case we have to make an errata
PD: I think in the case of that <use> we were looking at what Safari
did
ED: Any inconsistency you find is good for the IG. Helps them make
torture tests
<ed>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/001
3.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/0013.html
Error Handling
<ChrisL> this was fixed in tiny1.2
PD: We just noticed that the error processing was clear about
processing non-svg elements
DS: You could have an element with a circle nested in it
... the element doesn't render by the circle does
PD: Should that clarification go in?
DS: We should issue an errata for that one
ED: Although SVG 1.1 has the halt and show a highly perceivable
indication of error thing
DS: This is a validity error
... not a well formness error
CL: If it's well formness it has to halt where you're up to
... Tiny 1.2 is more clear about validity errors
<shepazu> <line x1="30" y1="10" x2="80" y2="10" stroke-width="10"
stroke="black"/>
<shepazu> <line x1="30" y1="10" x2="80" y2="10" style="stroke-width:
10; stroke: black;"/>
<ed> data:image/svg+xml,<svg
xmlns="[18]http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><line x1="30" y1="10" x2="80"
y2="10" style="stroke-width: 10; stroke: black;"/></svg>
[18] http://www.w3.org/2000/svg
ED: This data line will show a 10 pixel stroke
... my guess is if we introduce SVG only properties they will have
quirks
CL: Try out with 'font-size'
ED: With font-size it makes a difference
<ed> data:image/svg+xml,<svg
xmlns="[19]http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><line x1="30" y1="10" x2="80"
y2="10" style="stroke-width: 10; stroke: black;"/><text y="100"
style="font-size:30px">with px unit</text><text y="200"
style="font-size:30">no unit</text></svg>
[19] http://www.w3.org/2000/svg
CL: From a user perspective it's totally broken
DS: So what should be the behaviour?
ED: So in this case Safari seems to render the unit of the same size
... Safari and Opera discard the value
DS: We should talk with CSS about this
CL: We've started too
... if it's CSS, SVG has to use the CSS rules
... but if it's SVG we get to say how it works
DS: We might consider for consistency sake, that our properties need
units
... or getting them to shift
CL: Well they wont shift
... and there are things that don't have units
... the idea of SVG is it's scalable
Gradient investigation
AG: Still needs to be done
css/svg tf
DS: I think the next thing to do is ask them if they want to do it
ED: Any other input for areas of coordination
... otherwise I'll take an action to send the email we've been
working on CSS
... email the group, cc the chairs and the contacts
Erik to Send the email about CSS and SVG Task Force to the CSS
Working Group
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Send the email about CSS and SVG Task Force
to the CSS Working Group [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/01/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2713 - Send the email about CSS and SVG
Task Force to the CSS Working Group [on Erik Dahlström - due
2010-01-21].
svgwg blog
DS: The CSS WG has a blog that they put a lot of things on
... summary of minutes
... I thought it might be good for us to do something like that as
well
... I made a blog of our own to do something similar
... we can't have comments enabled on it
... because the software is old
... and it doesn't have spam filtering
... another thing that the CSS WG has is a Twitter account
... so I made an SVG WG Twitter account
... so Chris, Erik, Cameron, Doug have account name and passwords
... if the rest you want to post something that is group related
... please let me know
CL: I just tried testing the working group blog by posting a comment
... and it didn't post a comment
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to Send the email about CSS and SVG Task Force to
the CSS Working Group [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2010/01/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
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