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Minutes of Weds 26 may SVG f2f

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:50:38 +0200
Message-ID: <33964756.20080521175038@w3.org>
To: public-svg-wg@w3.org

Hello public-svg-wg,

Minutes of Weds 26 may SVG f2f are here
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html

and below as text for bots

                   SVG Working Group Teleconference

21 May 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tiny_12#Test_Suite

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Andrew, Erik, Doug, Anthony, Tony, Chris

   Regrets
   Chair
          Andrew, Erik

   Scribe
          Erik

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]1.2 testsuite review
     * [6]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



   <trackbot-ng> Date: 21 May 2008

1.2 testsuite review

   <scribe> Scribe: Erik

   <scribe> scribeNick: ed

   <aemmons>
   [7]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/sv
   g/struct-use-recursion-02-t.svg

      [7] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/struct-use-recursion-02-t.svg

   ED: there's a typo: "the green test is rendered" should be "the
   green text is rendered"

   AE: yes
   ... all ok with this test?

   (WG) yes, this test is approved

   DS: we need a better process for doing the testsuite
   ... we make a tool to create and approve tests, a webapp
   ... with three fields, the filename, a textbox for the code, and a
   textbox for the pass criteria and a textbox for description
   ... and a dropdown for which part of which spec it's testing. then
   you hit a button and it creates the test from the template
   ... and the testcreator initials
   ... and it also generates a reference image automatically, or you
   can upload a patchfile, once a test is created you can click on it
   to view it
   ... when you're viewing it you can mark it as reviewed, approved or
   add comments

   [8]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/sv
   g/struct-use-recursion-01-t.svg

      [8] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/struct-use-recursion-01-t.svg

   AE: approved?

   (WG): yes

   [9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/sv
   g/struct-use-recursion-03-t.svg

      [9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/struct-use-recursion-03-t.svg

   (WG) also approved

   [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-event-209-t.svg

     [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-event-209-t.svg

   AG: should be using d:operatorScript

   ED: well, should work there, will the testsuite generation scripts
   have a problem you mean?

   AG: not sure
   ... i'll change the test description to match the other tests

   AE: bitflash fails this, but I approve of this test
   ... so we need to verify the reference image once it's created

   ED: batik should pass this one

   (WG) test approved

   [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-203-t.svg

     [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-203-t.svg

   (WG) test approved

   [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-202-t.svg

     [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-202-t.svg

   ED: my last comment about getBBox and getScreenCTM should be made
   into a new test

   AG: some id:s are not xml:id, willfix that

   ED: Opera has some more extensive tests, that check bboxes on
   elements inside <defs>, with display:none etc...will look into
   donating those

   (WG) test approved

   [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-203-t.svg

     [13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-203-t.svg

   ED: the text has been made green, but the circles are green which
   makes the text impossible to read when it overlaps

   AE: ok, will make circles yellow

   AG: some id:s are not xml:ids

   AE: ok, will fix that too

   ED: the numbers go off the screen there

   (WG) ok, with all changes the test is approved

   [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgpoint-201-t.svg

     [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgpoint-201-t.svg

   AG: some id:s are not xml:ids

   CL: this should use an epsilon comparison

   TZ: ok, will modify the test to do that
   ... and the id:s

   [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-237-t.svg

     [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-237-t.svg

   ED: i get overlapping text

   AE: ok there are many subtests, and if you fail then it may overflow
   ... but if it passes everything is visible

   AG: using id:s not xml:ids

   ED: DOMException.name and .message are not in tiny I think

   CL: make the animated line invisible

   (WG) test approved

   <scribe> ACTION: doug to write an automated test creation and
   editing framework [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2025 - Write an automated test creation
   and editing framework [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-05-28].

   [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-218-t.svg

     [17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-218-t.svg

   ED: if you run the test locally this might give a security exception
   since it's accessing another domain

   CL: yes, there should be a comment saying that you should run the
   servlet locally in these cases
   ... should have a new cvs directory for the servlet

   ED: doesn't catch exceptions

   (WG) test approved

   [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgrect-201-t.svg

     [18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgrect-201-t.svg

   AE: need epsilon comparisons

   ED: it does setFloatTrait("x", 25) on a text element, is that
   allowed since it can be a list of values?

   <scribe> ACTION: AE to clarify in the accessing rules for x and y
   for setFloatTrait on text elements what happens if you do that and
   already have a list, and that it's allowed [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2026 - Clarify in the accessing rules
   for x and y for setFloatTrait on text elements what happens if you
   do that and already have a list, and that it's allowed [on Andrew
   Emmons - due 2008-05-28].

   <scribe> ACTION: AE to calculate the correct range for fixpoint
   numbers and update the basic datatypes chapter [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2027 - Calculate the correct range for
   fixpoint numbers and update the basic datatypes chapter [on Andrew
   Emmons - due 2008-05-28].

   (WG) test approved

   [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/styling-inherit-01-t.svg

     [21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/styling-inherit-01-t.svg

   ED: doesn't have clear pass criteria

   [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/spec/mobile/1.2/
   1.2NG/publish/styling.html#PropertyInheritance

     [22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/spec/mobile/1.2/1.2NG/publish/styling.html#PropertyInheritance

   it's 6.7 not 6.15

   6.7 Property inheritance and computation

   (WG) test approved

   [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-refs-206-t.svg

     [23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-refs-206-t.svg

   not approved yet, has issues in the resource ball.svg

   [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/types-basic-202-t.svg

     [24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/types-basic-202-t.svg

   <aemmons> types-basicDOM-02-t.svg

   ED: would like the filename to be all lowercase

   AG: the operatorscript needs to be changed

   AE: ok, making those fixes now

   renamed to
   [25]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-204-t.svg

     [25] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-204-t.svg

   (WG) test approved

   [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-refs-206-t.svg

     [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-refs-206-t.svg

   (WG) test approved

   [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-226-t.svg

     [27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-226-t.svg

   ED: the test assumes getCurrentTime has some epsilon, but I'm not
   sure the spec says anything about the required resolution

   AE: ok, now checking only the lower bound

   (WG) approved

   [28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-glob-202-t.svg

     [28] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-glob-202-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgpoint-201-t.svg

     [29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgpoint-201-t.svg

   [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-236-t.svg

     [30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-236-t.svg

   (WG) approve svgpoint-201

   ED: there's no e.name or e.message

   (WG) approved

   [31]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

     [31] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

   <ChrisL> udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg needs text changed to red/green

   ok, we'll do later edits to this file

   [32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/script-element-203-t.svg

     [32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/script-element-203-t.svg

   (WG) test approved

   AE: we need a patchfile for the reference for this one

   [33]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-frag-203-t.svg

     [33] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-frag-203-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [34]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-a03-t.svg

     [34] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-a03-t.svg

   [35]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-a-03-t.svg

     [35] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-a-03-t.svg

   ED: add explicit pass criteria

   (WG) approved

   [36]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-frag-206-t.svg

     [36] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-frag-206-t.svg

   [37]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/linking-frag-204-t.svg

     [37] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/linking-frag-204-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [38]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/extend-namespace-02-t.svg

     [38] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/extend-namespace-02-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [39]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-216-t.svg

     [39] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-216-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [40]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-232-t.svg

     [40] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-232-t.svg

   AE: uses e.name, e.message

   (WG) approved

   [41]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-230-t.svg

     [41] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-230-t.svg

   AE: e.name again

   ED: I'd like some time to look at this test

   [42]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/media-audio-215-t.svg

     [42] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/media-audio-215-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   AE: we need to find another soundclip though
   ... and we need to generate a reference image for this

   [43]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

     [43] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

   <scribe> postponed

   [44]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

     [44] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

   AG: same problems as previous one, I'll fix it

   [45]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-glob-203-t.svg

     [45] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-glob-203-t.svg

   ED: local -> external domain security thing again

   (WG) approved

   [46]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

     [46] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-201-t.svg

   <shepazu> here is the php script for the server access tests:
   [47]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/r
   esources/http_php.txt

     [47] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/resources/http_php.txt

   (WG) approved

   [48]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svglocatable-202-t.svg

     [48] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svglocatable-202-t.svg

   ED: can fail a subtest but still show "passed"

   AG: there's no frame around the test

   (WG) approved

   [49]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

     [49] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

   <scribe> postponed again

   [50]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

     [50] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

   ED: unclear pass criteria

   <scribe> postponed

   [51]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-202-t.svg

     [51] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-202-t.svg

   AG: using old template, needs update

   [52]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/struct-use-09-t.svg

     [52] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/struct-use-09-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [53]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

     [53] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [54]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-225-t.svg

     [54] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-225-t.svg

   CL: has red-green dots, but not red-green text

   (WG) approved

   we need to generate the reference for this

   [55]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-201-t.svg

     [55] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-201-t.svg

   <scribe> ACTION: CL to update udom-svgmatrix-201 - 207 to add color
   to the messages [recorded in
   [56]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2028 - Update udom-svgmatrix-201 - 207
   to add color to the messages [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-05-28].

   [57]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

     [57] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-224-t.svg

   [58]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-234-t.svg

     [58] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-234-t.svg

   AE: e.name, e.message

   (WG) approved

   [59]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svg-231-t.svg

     [59] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svg-231-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [60]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

     [60] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgmatrix-204-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   [61]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/s
   vg/udom-svgcolor-201-t.svg

     [61] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.2T/svg/udom-svgcolor-201-t.svg

   (WG) approved

   AG: needs to have xml:ids

   <ChrisL> AE fixes

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: AE to calculate the correct range for fixpoint numbers
   and update the basic datatypes chapter [recorded in
   [62]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: AE to clarify in the accessing rules for x and y for
   setFloatTrait on text elements what happens if you do that and
   already have a list, and that it's allowed [recorded in
   [63]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: CL to update udom-svgmatrix-201 - 207 to add color to
   the messages [recorded in
   [64]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: doug to write an automated test creation and editing
   framework [recorded in
   [65]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-svg-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]

-- 
 Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
 Interaction Domain Leader
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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