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Re: Charter

From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 10:37:08 -0400
To: Jerven.Bolleman@sib.swiss
Cc: public-sparql-12@w3.org
Message-ID: <21b1458e-0cbd-9f6b-f893-7b035ef98954@gmail.com>
I'm confused.

How was a vote started in issue 2 (https://github.com/w3c/sparql-12/issues/2)?
 The initial message in this thread says
>> We will open an issue for voting on the charter as proposed on
>> github[1], on the 22th of April 2019 and voting will last till 2nd of
>> May 2019 23:59 UTC.
There is nothing in any of the comments in issue 2 concerning a vote.

How can the 10 thumbs up to the initial comment in that issue be considered to
be votes for the current charter?

peter


On 4/21/19 8:52 AM, Jerven Tjalling Bolleman wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> A community group operates very different than a WG and a Charter
> is not nearly as important in a CG. If you look at the guidance the CG starter
> can just issue a charter, and this was done for example in the bioschemas CG
> without any problems.
> 
> However, Andy and me don't think that doing things by fiat is a good way to
> build community. So we started a vote in issue 2. Which currently has 10
> positives and no negatives, except in the comments. Yet we didn't feel happy
> about this as in hindsight it was not quite clear that this was a vote, how
> long it would run and it was opened before people joined. Again making us feel
> like we were not obviously measuring consensus.
> 
> Now we are both aware that there are holes to be pocked in the document as
> written. We decided that we would rather have a flawed but fixable one than
> spent lots of time to build a beautiful charter. Because we want to work on
> making SPARQL more beautiful for people whom use it day to day.
> 
> Also looking at the wider SPARQL related ecosystem. We are going for small and
> useful wins that implementer and their customers as well as the open source
> groups find it worth to work on. With the idea that building on successes we
> can tackle more difficult parts later on.
> 
> I would like to restate that the charter is easily changed later if there is
> an actual need for it. For now I think we would like to think
> about and work on the many interesting ideas on our issue tracker.
> 
> Regards,
> Jerven, Andy
> 
> PS. Sorry for the late reply. I ended up fighting with my home router which
> decided to very much not implement the DNS and DHCP spec for a bit.
> 
> PPS. There is some activity in the EXISTS group about publishing the current
> work. Which while not satisfactory for all involved at gives some closure to
> this topic until a WG can pick it up.
> 
> On 2019-04-16 12:21, Jerven Bolleman wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As chairs, we would like to have a charter in place soon.
>>
>> We will open an issue for voting on the charter as proposed on
>> github[1], on the 22th of April 2019 and voting will last till 2nd of
>> May 2019 23:59 UTC.
>>
>> You can record your vote for accept with a thumbs up, or reject with a
>> thumbs down. Any other "reaction/emotion" will be ignored. (Click on
>> the +smiley face to show the thumbs up/down)
>>
>> We will announce the vote issue on this mailing lists once it is opened.
>>
>> This will be an issue only to record voting, not for comments.
>> Campaigning for or against should be done outside the voting issue.
>>
>> We do wish to remind everyone that considering this only a Community
>> Group changing the charter is not hard if it is needed. Yet,
>> considering people went through legal with the current proposed one we
>> don't want to make their lives difficult with changes right now.
>>
>> If anyone has issues voting on github you should let us know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jerven and Andy
>>
>> [1] Specifically the fileĀ  docs/charter.html at commit
>> 151e96ef942dc2a2c297b63caafbafe385af9f39
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-12/blob/151e96ef942dc2a2c297b63caafbafe385af9f39/docs/charter.html
>>
> 
Received on Sunday, 21 April 2019 14:37:36 UTC

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