redefining social web (was Re: Mosaic Intro)

Great notes...

May I suggest a horizontal timeline rather than a vertical one.

Beyond differentiation,

A. I have noticed younger people in particular really enjoy scrolling
through the comments on a post.   This could be achieved by way of vertical
scrolling

B. The ability to create faceted results via preset & defined queries,
could enable horizontal scrolling to have multiple dimensions

C. The ability to leverage ontological datasets might also provide the
means to enhance the informatics modalities of any "related posts",
particularly if the community are encouraged to support ontology
production; for instance, news genres, and social discovery and
classification of posts from news / web sources, etc.

D. I suspect the ontological framework around the solid address book will
provide far more granular & flexible opportunities, that might in-turn
support user experiences that incorporate functionality otherwise
considered to be separate  products; for instance,

Short messages / Twitter
Business / professional networking / LinkedIn
- personal
- communities
- dating / friend finding
- meetup like functionality, Inc.
- discoverability of local offers; i.e.  happy hours or takeaway / dining
specials - in Australia, often pubs have dinner specials
- etc.

Therein, my thoughts consider how a multimodal is framework might help
redefine social.

Beyond that, I think it's worth noting that most social sites have a bunch
of underlying data services supporting it.

such as;
- media / video transcoding,
- geo representation & contextual discovery based on location, etc.
- instant messaging
- sharing of contacts, encouraging others to join, means to import old
data, etc.

In a decentralized model, there are new opportunities. Some include
enabling the end user to pick an api provider, whilst this is Generally a
fee based service (i.e. various google or Amazon APIs), and there's other
opportunities.

Often also, the large provider are encouraged to.do kyc/aml, for various
reasons.  I am not sure whether this is achieved via the solid provider, or
the app. I note also, a bunch of potentially very good democracy enhancing
solutions come about if kyc/aml related checks are done - elected
parliamentary persons want to engage real people in their electorates, for
example...

So,

Great work,  But my eval bitumen to consider that perhaps a faster path to
market was to build the plugins for WordPress to make it interoperable with
solid, noting there are already some social networking frameworks built for
WordPress, alongside many other solutions...

I have a non-federated / ref enhanced example
https://au.webcivics.net/community/

Having written some of my thoughts

https://au.webcivics.net/2018/10/24/wp-webcivics/

Whilst I believe the capacity to build a very interesting update for social
engagement has a bright future, with solid,

Throughs were, building the relevant php framework parts for WordPress,
should be quick and relatively easy, in addition to, if done well,
providing means to extend php framework works for.use with other php
frameworks, as are used by the vast majority of organisations across the
web, looking for an easy way to get involved and start testing out how
their market engagement, internal collaborating and others web related
functions, across education, government, commercial sectors, smes,

Can start to deliver meaningful improvements as may in turn be used to free
up development investment, and support new use case related considerations
by w3 members, as a means to support the continual standards development
works overtime.

I note finally,

The W3 cg website has a WordPress based front end...   how could we make
that better?

Timo

On Mon., 11 Feb. 2019, 12:17 am Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 01:25, Adam Lake <adam@mosaic.social> wrote:
>
>> *Hi All, *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * It is great to see so many passionate and capable people in this group.
>> I am sorry to have missed the kick-off call but hope to make the next one.
>> My interest in Solid is the power of its principles to enable a more free,
>> open, and cooperative Web and world. To me it represents the promise of
>> coming closer to the original vision for the Web, a platform that would
>> increase human capacity, our political and economy health, and our
>> collective intelligence. My assessment is that individual sovereignty on
>> the Web, an extension of civil rights in the digital age, is a fundamental
>> requirement to achieving these broader social ends. Solid’s data ownership
>> and data portability architecture are critical pieces of the puzzle. I am
>> probably preaching to the choir! My role is to help “bring people together
>> to build the next generation Web”. You can learn more here
>> https://mosaic.social/ <https://mosaic.social/>. The objective of Mosaic is
>> to connect teams, technologies, and financing to bring user-centrc (“Self
>> Sovereign”) P2P apps to market. My hope is to facilitate the connection
>> between disparate parties that may not know about each, but who together
>> can provide all of the necessary ingredients required to brings Solid apps
>> to market, have a sustainable business model, and designed to maximize
>> social well being. The technology is critical, but so are funding, business
>> models, marketing, and psychologists who specialize in human-centered
>> design. The Mosaic website was launched to communicate a basic technology
>> framework (very much still open for debate) and some app concepts to spark
>> the imagination and get dialogue going about what app ideas have the most
>> support (e.g, existing technology, funding, and public demand). I am
>> heavily leaning toward starting with a decentralized Facebook application
>> because it exemplifies the struggle for the future of the Web and because
>> an alternative, or anti, facebook is a simple concept for people to
>> understand. However, choosing this app presents some challenges as there
>> are deep problems around distributed search, fake news, and identity to
>> solve. These issues may prove to be intractable problems but I think it’s
>> worth systematically exploring whether a good decentralized and Solid-based
>> Facebook could be designed. Opinions on these topics are most welcome! I
>> would gladly engage with others in this group around these high level
>> design considerations as well as sustainable and equitable business models
>> for bringing Solid apps to market. *
>>
>
> Looks very interesting.
>
> I've had done some work on a timeline app but I never got a chance to
> complete it, as focus shifted to the server.  The auth doesnt work with the
> node solid server in OIDC mode yet, tho.
>
> demo :
> http://solid-social.github.io/timeline/?date=recent&profile=https:%2F%2Fmelvincarvalho.com%2F%23me
> code : https://github.com/solid-social/timeline
> screenshots :
> https://melvincarvalho.gitbooks.io/solid-social/content/appendixa.html
>
> I believe darcy is also looking at this route :
>
> https://darcy.is/
>
> So, it helps to understand what facebook did well.  They created their
> system based on the idea of giving everything an HTTP URI and growing a
> graph around that.
>
> Porting this idea to solid I think is an excellent idea, and would allow a
> cross origin social network with strong privacy and everyone controls their
> own data.
>
> Seems like a compelling use case, so the question arises as to why no one
> in open source has done this yet.
>
> The answer is that resources are scarce.  And those that have tried
> inevitably have taken on too much.  Such the very common idea of making it
> P2P or creating a new DNS.  Such premature optimizations have never worked,
> and if we have learnt from history are not the best strategy.  It becomes
> tougher still because advocates of protocol X are widespread trying to
> promote their system, whereas solid is just the web with more cross origin
> features unlocked.
>
> Doing one thing well which is porting social network functionality via a
> graph of URIs can be easily realized if we have someone to code it.  A
> small team, or even a single person, could realize this in a few months.
> The prototyps of facebook was apparently coded up in about 2 weeks.
>
> Solid is an ideal technology to achieve this.  But the danger is going off
> piste and tagging on the latest social protocol du jour and ending up with
> an architecture inferior to facebook.  There was a massive opportunity
> missed by the social web working group imho when I suggested this route,
> that the social web about people, friends and connections.  Whilst I
> thought this was self evident, it idea was rejected, in favour of building
> a microblogging system.  Well that worked, but we sacrificed social
> networks on the altar of the micro blog.
>
> Id suggest doing one task well ie porting social networks to solid, then
> think about adding more protocols.
>
> What is needed?  You need a timeline, you need profile management, a
> friendship graph.  You need friend requests.  Messages, replies and likes.
> It can either be done as one system or in modular parts where different
> groups work on different aspects and then a team ties them together in a
> single app.
>
> Id suggest working out what is in scope and what is not, and trying to
> make something as minimal as possible.  Then trying to achieve a rapid
> prototype.  Perhaps work together with darcy if they are going to build a
> solid solution
>
>
>>
>> * Kind Regards, Adam Lake *
>>
>>